Firearm laws in nJ, are they fair?

**Norm357** · 06-08-07, 10:51 PM

if a NY cop lives in NJ technically he has to put ball ammo in his weapon when he gets into NJ.

No He doesn't. He would be covered under HR218. That means the weapon and ammo they qualified on.

Federal Law trumps State Law in this case.

**phantasm** · 06-09-07, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by BPunk360

i believe that no-one other then NJ police can cally HP ammo in their weapons.. if a NY cop lives in NJ technically he has to put ball ammo in his weapon when he gets into NJ.. does this happen NO... thats why many carry the federal EFMJ (expanding full metal jacket) rounds in their weapons. but technically they are expanding ammo and is still illegal to carry them in your weapon unless a NJ officer... but at first glance they look like Ball ammo.... you just might get hemmed up in court if you have to shoot someone offduty while not being a NJ officer

A NY cop CANNOT live in NJ.

**Kpdpipes** · 06-09-07, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by phantasm

A NY cop CANNOT live in NJ.

Sure he can..as long as he doesnt get caught. I have 4 or 5 NYPD guys living in my town.

**Kpdpipes** · 06-09-07, 09:29 PM

BPunk. You ar eincorrect, Expanding Ammunition is not a problem, what is enumerate IN the statute is only Hollow-nose Ammunition.

Lizzy. it is NOT hard to obtain an FID in NJ. it just takes some time (with the caveat that you are somewhat at the mercy of your local PD Chief..some perform their own ersion of Gun Control by holding up FID/Handgun permits as much as possible..they however are rare). Generally about 3-4 months from when you submit the apps to getting your FID card and initial handgun permit. Remember though that you CANNOT get a carry permit in NJ.

**Kpdpipes** · 06-09-07, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Norm357

No He doesn't. He would be covered under HR218. That means the weapon and ammo they qualified on.

Federal Law trumps State Law in this case.

Yes..and No.. remember that LEOSA doesnt confer any special priveledges on LEO's out of state, and it doesnt grant any LE priveledges either. An out-of state LEO under LEOSA is just the same as a Civilian (and to those who dont like us using that term FOAD), and subject to the same laws. Do YOU really want to be the test case to find out if LEOSA grants you immunity from hollowpoints and more than 10 round magazines???

**Norm357** · 06-09-07, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Kpdpipes

Yes..and No.. remember that LEOSA doesnt confer any special priveledges on LEO's out of state, and it doesnt grant any LE priveledges either. An out-of state LEO under LEOSA is just the same as a Civilian (and to those who dont like us using that term FOAD), and subject to the same laws. Do YOU really want to be the test case to find out if LEOSA grants you immunity from hollowpoints and more than 10 round magazines???

Yes, but LEOSA specifically states that the off duty or retired Officer must carry the weapon and ammo that he/ she qualified with.

That's going to trump any charge that a Prosecutor may bring.

All this debate is just academic however as I simply cannot see a Cop jacking up another Cop over his gun and ammo.

**phantasm** · 06-09-07, 11:16 PM

There's many problems with how LEOSA is written (clarity). Active off duty officers are covered a little better. Its the retirees that would most likely run into problems with how its written.

**Kpdpipes** · 06-10-07, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Norm357

Yes, but LEOSA specifically states that the off duty or retired Officer must carry the weapon and ammo that he/ she qualified with.

That's going to trump any charge that a Prosecutor may bring.

All this debate is just academic however as I simply cannot see a Cop jacking up another Cop over his gun and ammo.

It's NOT the ther cops that are the problem, it's the County Prosecutors in some counties..Rbidly anti-gun, and there's one or two that LIVE to jack up cops.

**Sapper_132** · 06-10-07, 10:57 AM

How would it get into the hands of a prosecutor if the cop doesn't jack up the other cop? So I'm sure that there are some out there that would jack me or you up and then the prosecutor could have his day with us.

I'm just not going to go to NY or NJ.

**phantasm** · 06-11-07, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by tjpuclik2

How would it get into the hands of a prosecutor if the cop doesn't jack up the other cop? So I'm sure that there are some out there that would jack me or you up and then the prosecutor could have his day with us.

I'm just not going to go to NY or NJ.

Off duty out of state gets involved using DPF to defend himself against the same, but his agency has hollow points as his ammo. PD may not make an arrest, but a report is still filed. The prosecuter can then pursue and issue an arrest warrant, etc.

Just an example that COULD happen, not of something that has happened.

**Kpdpipes** · 06-11-07, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by tjpuclik2

How would it get into the hands of a prosecutor if the cop doesn't jack up the other cop? So I'm sure that there are some out there that would jack me or you up and then the prosecutor could have his day with us.

I'm just not going to go to NY or NJ.

#1. If you get involved in a shooting Genius..then the prosecutor is GOING to be involved... I dont know of ANY cop here that would jack up another cop just for carrying.
#2.. Oh How heartbreaking i'll miss you....not