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    Quote Originally Posted by glock32 View Post
    I've done both and corrections is not a tougher job by any means. Its really not hard to sit there and babysit grown men.
    These 'grown men' of which you speak happen to be murderers, rapists, thieves, drug dealers, drug users, drug growers among other things. Maybe you are a braver man then I, or maybe less intelligent, but you won't find the job of babysitting these grown men on my list of favorites
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    Quote Originally Posted by glock32 View Post
    I've done both and corrections is not a tougher job by any means. Its really not hard to sit there and babysit grown men.
    I've never worked as a correctional officer, but I think that it would be a very tough job for several reasons, to include:
    • Imagine this: All the idiots and scroatbags of the county are housed under one roof -- and YOU are there with them!!!!
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    • You walk into the correctional facility -- and then the door closes behind you. You CAN'T leave unless someone buzzes you out. You're TRAPPED unless someone buzzes you out!!!
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    • The C.O. has to "interact" with the idiots of society for a full 8 hours (or 12 if he's on 12 hour shifts)! Imagine how much fun that is!!! It must be "intellectually stimulating" to have to deal with those rocket scientists for a full career!!!
    Yep, COs have a very tough job!!!!

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    well me being a det dep, i for once see the dangers working in the jail. in my opinion, it can be just as rough in here as it is out as a patrolman. its all what you make of it. i want to be on the road, and by starting in here first, you kinda get a better idea of what to expect on the streets. as far as pay, i think they should be equal since its just as equally dangerous.
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    I have worked the streets for all but around two years at which I was a sworn Deputy in a direct supervision jail. Both sides of the job are stressful and dangerous and they are both a bitch at times. I fully agree that both the detention and road officers should make the same.
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    I am new to this forum and I am sure that I will meet with replies in reference to this post. I must say that the Detention Officers in my agency work hard and are a valued employee for the county. Having said all of that I would like to say that making the Detention Officers salary comparitive with the road officers is going to cause I think some interagency problems. First, Detention Officers do not attend a POST academy for 16 to 18 weeks. They do not have another 8 weeks of field training that either makes or brakes them in this job. They do not have to respond to emergency situations on a daily basis and make life or death situations in a milisecond. They are not on scenes in the extreme heat directing traffic on pavement so hot that it melts the bottoms of boots and you get so sun burnt and you get heat strokes or heat exhaustions. They dont have to stand out in freezing cold weather for hours investigating crime scenes. I think that I could probly go on and on.

    Dentention is a profession and they should have a pay scale that also professional but I dont think that they should compare to the road officer. I have worked in detention before going to the road so I know alittle about what I am talking about. Thats just what I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrolsgtAZ View Post
    I am new to this forum and I am sure that I will meet with replies in reference to this post. I must say that the Detention Officers in my agency work hard and are a valued employee for the county. Having said all of that I would like to say that making the Detention Officers salary comparitive with the road officers is going to cause I think some interagency problems.How? First, Detention Officers do not attend a POST academy for 16 to 18 weeks. They do not have another 8 weeks of field training that either makes or brakes them in this job. They should. Make the argument for compensation easier if they did. They do not have to respond to emergency situations on a daily basis and make life or death situations in a milisecond. Yes they do. They are not on scenes in the extreme heat directing traffic on pavement so hot that it melts the bottoms of boots and you get so sun burnt and you get heat strokes or heat exhaustions. They dont have to stand out in freezing cold weather for hours investigating crime scenes. I think that I could probly go on and on. Each job has its own perks and pitfalls.

    Dentention is a profession and they should have a pay scale that also professional but I dont think that they should compare to the road officer. I have worked in detention before going to the road so I know alittle about what I am talking about. Thats just what I think.
    What kind of facility? My agency holds our inmates, state inmates, and federal inmates. We are getting ready to expand also. Need to compare apples with apples here. The two cell jail isn't like the big full service types that are becoming more popular. Hell we even handle transportation of all inmates to and from anywhere.

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    I am a state c/o in nj. We have a 14 week academy, carry off duty on the badge, sworn law enforcement( i know not everyone thinks so. but in we are, even my state ID says im a sworn law enforcement officer) .... but anyway. I make just as much if not more then the cops here. I have steady days off, day work 6a-2p and love it. I know the local county sheriff's dont make as much as the pd. but they dont do as much as the sheriff's in the south. just about 100% of the police work is done by the local pd.The county c/o's make the same as the s/o. If you want overtime look at corrections. As everyone knows every agency is short c/o's and you can write your own check. The c/o's should be paid the same as the road guys in the county....just my 2 cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by njco View Post
    I am a state c/o in nj. We have a 14 week academy, carry off duty on the badge, sworn law enforcement( i know not everyone thinks so. but in we are, even my state ID says im a sworn law enforcement officer) .... but anyway. I make just as much if not more then the cops here. I have steady days off, day work 6a-2p and love it. I know the local county sheriff's dont make as much as the pd. but they dont do as much as the sheriff's in the south. just about 100% of the police work is done by the local pd.The county c/o's make the same as the s/o. If you want overtime look at corrections. As everyone knows every agency is short c/o's and you can write your own check. The c/o's should be paid the same as the road guys in the county....just my 2 cents
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrolsgtAZ View Post
    I am new to this forum and I am sure that I will meet with replies in reference to this post. I must say that the Detention Officers in my agency work hard and are a valued employee for the county. Having said all of that I would like to say that making the Detention Officers salary comparitive with the road officers is going to cause I think some interagency problems. First, Detention Officers do not attend a POST academy for 16 to 18 weeks. They do not have another 8 weeks of field training that either makes or brakes them in this job. They do not have to respond to emergency situations on a daily basis and make life or death situations in a milisecond. They are not on scenes in the extreme heat directing traffic on pavement so hot that it melts the bottoms of boots and you get so sun burnt and you get heat strokes or heat exhaustions. They dont have to stand out in freezing cold weather for hours investigating crime scenes. I think that I could probly go on and on.

    Dentention is a profession and they should have a pay scale that also professional but I dont think that they should compare to the road officer. I have worked in detention before going to the road so I know alittle about what I am talking about. Thats just what I think.

    I attended a 5 month academy for Detention, I am weapons certified, taser certified, and went through extensive DT training. I work with the scum of society on a daily basis and never know what they have come up with to do bodily harm to me. As for Field Training, our Field Training lasts anywhere from 8-12 weeks depending on the progress of the Probationary Deputy. As a matter of fact, the Road Deputies Field Training program was re-vamped to emulate ours because ours was tougher to get through than theirs was. I am also a Field Training Officer and believe me we don't let them through if they can't complete the program with high scores. Similar to Five-O's agency we also have Federal, INS, US Marshall Inmates and the ratio is 72 inmates to 1 Detention Deputy. How do you like those odds? We do prisoner transport all over the country, we have our own planes, buses and vans. The Detention Deputies that do these details, myself included, are US Marshall certified, we take a course to become certified to do these details.

    FYI-The FOP with the full support of the Road Deputies fought for and won parity for the Detention Deputies. There is mutual respect between us, they know what we go through and we know what they go through to get the job done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack View Post
    ...the ratio is 72 inmates to 1 Detention Deputy. How do you like those odds?
    The average ratio for police officers to citizens in the USA is 1 to 1,000. So yeah, those 1 to 72 odds, I like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    The average ratio for police officers to citizens in the USA is 1 to 1,000. So yeah, those 1 to 72 odds, I like them.

    All at one time?

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    You know I make what is it 37,000 a year as a detention officer at the age of 20 which is not to damn bad to me. The way I see working in the jails is as hard as you make it. I have my way of running things and it goes well just a little dual at time yes because I work nights but I mean at no time is it ever safe. Just like out on the road for Dep. but I could care less who really gets paid more or less because i'm really not in it for the pay its doing the job I love that counts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack View Post
    All at one time?
    Yes Mack, all at one time. They are all within our city, county, state...etc. Ours are just more spread out than yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    Yes Mack, all at one time. They are all within our city, county, state...etc. Ours are just more spread out than yours.

    And how many are convicted felons and within a few feet of you all at once?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack View Post
    And how many are convicted felons and within a few feet of you all at once?
    I don't know the numbers without checking, but who do you think is arresting and making cases against these felons, taking away there freedom, and dropping them off at the jail for you to watch? If they go to your jail, then all of them must be coming from the jurisdiction in which your local law enforcement works...meaning they deal with them.

    I respect corrections, as I did it. But to imply it's more dangerous than police work is just plain ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack View Post
    And how many are convicted felons and within a few feet of you all at once?
    You see that is one difference right there. You know who is a convicted felon a few feet away from you. Road officers do not have that valuable information with everyone that they meet. That and the fact that the felons that are within arms reach of us haven't been patted down for weapons yet. I have yet to see an inmate make a Mack 10 out of a toothbrush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Five-0 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    I don't know the numbers without checking, but who do you think is arresting and making cases against these felons, taking away there freedom, and dropping them off at the jail for you to watch? If they go to your jail, then all of them must be coming from the jurisdiction in which your local law enforcement works...meaning they deal with them.

    I respect corrections, as I did it. But to imply it's more dangerous than police work is just plain ignorant.

    I don't believe that I ever said it was more dangerous, they are both dangerous in their own ways. The point I was trying to make is that parity should exist between the two jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Five-0 View Post
    You see that is one difference right there. You know who is a convicted felon a few feet away from you. Road officers do not have that valuable information with everyone that they meet. That and the fact that the felons that are within arms reach of us haven't been patted down for weapons yet. I have yet to see an inmate make a Mack 10 out of a toothbrush.

    But look at what they can make out of a toothbrush. At a few feet away they can kill you just as dead. Again the point of the thread is parity of pay and IMO both jobs are dangerous and both jobs should have equal pay.

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    I don't agree with parity pay. Here is why a road officer not only had to drive around and look for crime in progress, but that officer is also instructed in most cases to make traffic stops, handle calls for service, not to mention being stopped somewhere and being approached to be asked a question.

    The problem with all of those scenarios is once again we have no idea who we are dealing with, what we are dealing with and what the outcome of the situation will be.

    Now I am not saying that stuff can't go wrong in a jail/prison we have all see the reports and the past occurences. What I am saying is though is you know who your dealing with, past history of that person and what they typically will do and how they will react to certain things.

    When we are out with people, talking with people. We have no idea what might or will set them off. We have no idea what weapons they have or what their intentions are. We simply have to go on gut feelings and instincts.
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