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    Question about court proceedings

    Recently in Wisconsin, four people were killed and police had a suspect. That suspect was found yesterday or this morning, dead due to gsw to the head. My question is, since he is dead, how do they close the case on the four murders? I'm guessing there won't be a trial, since he is dead, but how do they find him guilty so to speak?
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    They finish their investigation that proves it was the dead suspect who committed the murders. There's no need for a trail because there's no further justice to be dispensed. The families of the victims could go after his estate in civil court for monetary damages, but he probably isn't worth enough for it to be worthwhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 213th View Post
    Recently in Wisconsin, four people were killed and police had a suspect. That suspect was found yesterday or this morning, dead due to gsw to the head. My question is, since he is dead, how do they close the case on the four murders? I'm guessing there won't be a trial, since he is dead, but how do they find him guilty so to speak?
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    You have to be alive to be found guilty. If the suspect dies, the law doesn't require the corpse to be brought in and tried. That's what hell is for.
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    In my dept the detectives will complete their investigation and write up the report showing the evidence against the deceased offender. The case is listed as being closed by investigation/exceptional clearance. Basically the report shows there was at least probable cause (if not damning proof) that the suspect committed the offense, with no open leads that it may have been someone else. Various records (evidence, statements, etc) may be kept in accordance with policy and may still be subpoenaed in the event of a civil suit.
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    Cool! Thanks
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    He who has the power, has the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimble View Post
    You have to be alive to be found guilty. If the suspect dies, the law doesn't require the corpse to be brought in and tried. That's what hell is for.
    what he said...
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    Over here there will still be a formal inquest even if the offender is dead. So the investigation still has to be completed as if he were going to trial.
    The evidence is heard and a cause of death determined i.e unlawfully killed(For the victims).
    The offender will also have an inquest when his cause of death will be determinedi.e. suicide.
    Although they won't be allowed to call it "thank god he did everyone a favour by offing himself"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorwaycop View Post
    Over here there will still be a formal inquest even if the offender is dead. So the investigation still has to be completed as if he were going to trial.
    The evidence is heard and a cause of death determined i.e unlawfully killed(For the victims).
    The offender will also have an inquest when his cause of death will be determinedi.e. suicide.
    Although they won't be allowed to call it "thank god he did everyone a favour by offing himself"
    Weird. So he really doesn't save the taxpayers all that much money by putting himself out of everyone else's misery, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphos View Post
    Closed Exceptionally, Death of Offender
    +1

    IBR considers it exceptional clearance.

    From the FBI NIBRS program:

    In order for law enforcement to clear an offense by exceptional means, each of the following four conditions must be met: 1. The investigation must have clearly established the identity of at least one offender.
    2. Sufficient probable cause must have been developed to support the arrest, charging, and prosecution of the offender.
    3. The exact location of the offender must be known so that an arrest could be made.
    4. There must be a reason outside the control of law enforcement which prevents the arrest.



    In general, this means the death of the offender, victim refused to assist, extradition declined, or prosecution declined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by berserk View Post
    Weird. So he really doesn't save the taxpayers all that much money by putting himself out of everyone else's misery, eh?
    Oh I don't know, 20yrs pf prison, well 2 or 3 maybe!

    Been alot of uproar over the fact that the suicide bombers from London will have their inquests held at the same time as the victims. It's just the way the system is set up, I think that case may force a change.
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