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11-20-10, 07:53 AM #1
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AD in the holster
Has anyone had a problem with AD while their service weapon is in the holster? The particular holster is a Safariland 6360-832 for a Glock model 22/17 for a M3 light. Please let me know. Thanks!
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11-20-10, 09:43 AM #2
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That was my previous holster and I did not have any discharge problems. With any holster, if your finger is in the trigger guard with a glock (most of my experience is with a glock) and you re-holster you are very likely to have an accidental discharge.
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Agreed and that is a training issue. However, this involved a suspect pulling the trigger. Bad day at the office.
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I can see that happening with that holster. There is enough space between the gun and the holster in the area of the trigger. It is not directly open, but a finger could get to it. PM on its way.
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I'm not aware of one -- but I also wouldn't call the situation described an AD. At most, it was an unintentional discharge, but it seems that the suspect was trying to pull the trigger. You might get better results while looking around if you describe it differently.
Any holster I've seen for a gunlight has that sort of potential, because they simply have to have more room for the light to go into the holster. Even though it may have the trappings and be labeled a Level II or III retention holster, they just aren't as effective as a standard holster for retention. It's a known issue.
I AM aware of a few ADs with Glocks caused by foreign objects like jacket drawstrings getting into the trigger well, and being pushed into the trigger.Voting against incumbents until we get a Congress that does its job.
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Yes. Weapon's fault , not the holster.
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Thanks for the input! I heard about the foreign object issues as well.
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My last agency had that exact scenario. An officer had keys hanging from a bookbag over the shoulder. A car key was dangling in the holster and when the gun was holstered, the key was caught in the trigger guard and the trigger was depressed, causing the AD.
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I'm not sure what you're saying. The gun sounds like it did exactly what it's designed to do: Go bang when the trigger is depressed. It seems as if during a struggle (and I'm guessing that Blue Line Lawyer can't give too many details right now), a suspect managed to maybe partially draw the gun or otherwise insert a finger into the trigger guard. I'd guess that the officer probably used the main weapon retention tactic most are taught -- and shoved the gun back into the holster, pushing the finger against the trigger sufficiently to move it. Originally Posted by Captain America
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Originally Posted by Jks9199
I was answering BluelineLawyer's original post. Yes , I known of an accidential discharge which occurred in the holster. The weapon in question that I am referring to didn't have it's trigger depressed.
No suspect involved so it appears that my incident isn't germane to BlueLineLawyers inquiry. Sorry for the confusion, Jks.
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No problem. Was the one that went off a Glock? It's damn near impossible for a Glock to go off without the trigger being pressed; the Glock SafeAction system just doesn't work otherwise. I'm not even sure I can come up with a way to modify it to do that! Originally Posted by Captain America
I was answering BluelineLawyer's original post. Yes , I known of an accidential discharge which occurred in the holster. The weapon in question that I am referring to didn't have it's trigger depressed. No suspect involved so it appears that my incident isn't germane to BlueLineLawyers inquiry. Sorry for the confusion, Jks.Voting against incumbents until we get a Congress that does its job.
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Negative. A Smith & Wesson 4006. Originally Posted by Jks9199
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There were reports of that happening, yes. Originally Posted by BlueLineLawyer
The gap around the light allowed a smaller finger to get in there.
BTW, that would not be an "accidental discharge."I'm your huckleberry...
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Originally Posted by BlueLineLawyer
I was qualifying today and was looking at my partners holster when he was in front of me. There was more than enough room to reach my finder down in the holster while the gun was in there. It is a 6360, with light attachment. I have the 6360 without a light for my glock, and there is no room to get a finger in there.
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