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    I can check the driving history of in state drivers. I do look at it to base my decision on writing or not. I always tell drivers that I am going to run their information. Regardless of what I write or don't write I attach their information to the stop. If I stop you, I will give you some paper to document why I stopped you. That is either a written warning or a cite. For minor stuff that is up to the driver's attitude and their driving history.

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    I say "Hello, I'm deputy (insert name here) with the X sheriff's department. I stopped you because (insert violation/reason here). Were you aware (your headlight was out/what your speed was/you were swerving over the fog line? Could I see your license, registration and proof of insurance? Thank you, where are you living now? If you will just relax for a minute I'll be right back with you, OK?

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    Each incident of verbal abuse is different. You have to assess whether someone is just blowing off steam or whether they are increasing to a point where words will be transferred to action. I generally give them several minutes before the "OK, you have had your say and now you need to listen to me speech" That is, "OK, we are not going to try your case here, I'm a police officer, not a judge. I have a job to do here and I need certain information to complete that job. If you continue with your abusive comments and fail to provide me what I need to complete my work here, you will be arrested for obstructing, do you understand"

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    I introduce myself (or just say hello), and then request their license, insurance, and registration. Once I have the license in hand, I'll explain the reason for the stop and then ask for some additional contact information. If I think they're drunk, I'll do that while they're still looking for the other documents.

    I specifically don't ask anything like "is there a reason for that?" or "do you know why I stopped you?" I think that the former question is particularly abrasive. The suspect and I both know that there almost certainly isn't a good answer to that, so form their perspective it's like I'm trying to make them look stupid.

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    As to your second question, free speech is free speech. So long as they are compliant with the things the law allows me to require of them, they can run their mouth all they want.

    They're safer in the car unless there is some other reason to pull them out, and running their yap doesn't cut it legally.
    I respect their free speech, and I don't really care if they want to motherfuck me while they're doing what I say, but I don't quite agree with this. The legal standard for removing someone from a car on a traffic stop is pretty low. If someone is running their mouth to the point that I think they're psyching themselves up for something else, I might get them out of the car for the sake of keeping them in the mindset of doing what I say and of keeping them under increased scrutiny for the remainder of the stop.

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    To those of you who say you must have the documents first: What would you do if the person refused to give them to you until you told them why you stopped them? Don't they have a right to know what they are being accused of before they identify themselves? ~
    No, they don't. I've never seen any court decision that says we have to explain a stop to a suspect before conducting the business of the investigation, even when it's only a traffic stop.

    That said, if someone asks me why I stopped them before they cough up their ID, I'll just tell them. If they want to argue about it at that point, then I'll tell them that I'm not going to discuss it any more and repeat my instructions to give me their license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSmith View Post
    I was talking to a few staties round here, and it is pretty much SOP for them to inform the driver whether they'll be getting a ticket or not immediately after receiving the drivers license/ins/registration. Thus making the decision right then, with no input based upon the driver's history.

    Do you guys like this or not? They tell me it gives the driver time to "calm down" after getting the bad news.
    My first agency was like that, so I've tried it but I don't like it. I don't think it's unsafe to tell the driver whether they'll be getting a warning or a ticket, although if you tell someone you're just giving them a warning and then go check them for warrants I think there could be a question of unreasonably prolonging the detention. My problems with this approach are that I'd rather make that decision after I've taken their record into account and that I can't see any benefit to this approach at all. The driver has all the time in the world to calm down after getting the bad news no matter when I give it to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berserk View Post
    I respect their free speech, and I don't really care if they want to motherfuck me while they're doing what I say, but I don't quite agree with this. The legal standard for removing someone from a car on a traffic stop is pretty low. If someone is running their mouth to the point that I think they're psyching themselves up for something else, I might get them out of the car for the sake of keeping them in the mindset of doing what I say and of keeping them under increased scrutiny for the remainder of the stop.
    Your mileage varies. It's tough to fight me from inside your car.

    If it's going some other way, then I'm going to have more people there before they come out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLean View Post
    Your mileage varies. It's tough to fight me from inside your car.

    If it's going some other way, then I'm going to have more people there before they come out.
    Sure, if I'm getting someone out of the car then I'm probably going to have more good guys with me beforehand. I wasn't addressing tactics, just pointing out that removing someone from a car because of their attitude isn't unreasonable.

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    Roger.
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    If every officer would be as polite as you are, I dont think there will be any misunderstanding at al. That's cool!!!!!l

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    Hello there, I'm (name) with (department), the reason for the stop today is (your speed, for example), did you realize you were over the posted limit back there? Okay, got a driver's license I can take a look at? (other where coming from/going/bs'ing questions). Is this your car? You have insurance on it? Got the card I can look at? (more blah blah). Sit tight, I'll be back up with you.

    Unfortunately, I am issuing you a citation for not wearing your seatbelt and not having insurance on your car (oh wait, that was a stop yesterday....). The way you can take care of it is call this phone number, give them this number here on the ticket, and they'll be able to walk you through how you can take care of this. Any questions for me, anything I can answer for you now? Okay, safe travels.

    Hate the "do you know how fast you were going" question. Hate the "do you know why I stopped you" question. I still get an admission without sounding like a smartass. I get thanks or handshakes on almost every stop (and it's 50/50 cite/warn, too)

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    I don't like "unfortunately" or, even worse, an outright apology.

    "This is a ticket." It's factual, it's polite, and it doesn't open the window to crap. Unless you're dealing with a Middle Easterner... who will want to argue it with you then and there when you present the ticket.

    It's just personal style -- but I don't apologize for doing my job. I may explain why I issued a ticket in lieu of a warning... but even that is very situational.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLean View Post
    I never had any problem with just "Hello, I'm officer soandso with the yourtown police. I've stopped you for felonious mopery with intent to creep. Please provide me with your drivers license, registration, and proof of insurance."

    As to your second question, free speech is free speech. So long as they are compliant with the things the law allows me to require of them, they can run their mouth all they want.

    They're safer in the car unless there is some other reason to pull them out, and running their yap doesn't cut it legally.


    this pretty much says it. This is how we were trained, and I pretty much stick to it unless the vehicle stop escalates to something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jks9199 View Post
    I don't like "unfortunately" or, even worse, an outright apology.

    "This is a ticket." It's factual, it's polite, and it doesn't open the window to crap. Unless you're dealing with a Middle Easterner... who will want to argue it with you then and there when you present the ticket.

    It's just personal style -- but I don't apologize for doing my job. I may explain why I issued a ticket in lieu of a warning... but even that is very situational.

    I agree.

    I do however, occasionally come back with their ticket and say "Well, I've got some bad news for you..you are going to be getting a ticket for XXX, ok?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmur5074 View Post
    I agree.

    I do however, occasionally come back with their ticket and say "Well, I've got some bad news for you..you are going to be getting a ticket for XXX, ok?"
    Yeah -- I'm not so rigidly scripted in my stops that they're all the same. I talk to the driver rather than at them, so sometimes it's a little less formal, other times more formal. Depends on the attitude I get, and also what I may be after. If I'm going to try to flip the stop into something more -- I'm probably going to be more chatty. Walk up, and start telling me what you didn't do before I can even talk... Yeah, I get shorter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cirrusly View Post
    First Question:
    What verbiage do you guys use when initiating a traffic stop.
    I'm a huge proponent of Verbal Judo. If you haven't taken that class, I highly recommend it. I pretty much use the greeting they teach:
    Hello, I'm Officer Rhino with the LEF Police Department. The reason I stoppped you was [violation]. Is there a legal reason you [violation]? [Let them vent for a minute] I need to see your drivers license, please.


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    Second Question:
    How much verbal abuse/cussing will you take from a relatively compliant subject, at a traffic stop, before you pull them out of the vehicle with or without use of hands on techniques?
    They can yell and cuss until they're blue in the face. They may have the last word, I get the last act. As long as they are compliant, I let them vent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    They can yell and cuss until they're blue in the face. They may have the last word, I get the last act. As long as they are compliant, I let them vent.
    Personally, and I mean personally, I'm good with this only to an extent. The cussing and verbal abuse comes to a screeching halt just as soon as this applies...



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    Quote Originally Posted by lewisipso View Post
    Contrary to popular belief we are not whipping stones. Nor, in my opinion should we be treated as such. Up to a certain point I'm going with the violator is just having a bad day. After a certain point they ARE going to have a bad day. Jmo.
    Agreed. There are things that I respect about verbal judo. Just because someone is popping off at the mouth is no reason for us to sink to their level, and we should be above taking that sort of nonsense personally. I'm glad to see a program teaching that, but that's where my appreciation for verbal judo ends.

    I think that the prescribed speeches that you're supposed to give at the beginning of traffic stops and pedestrian contacts are both condescending. I think that the "is there anything I can do to get you to comply" line is okay sometimes, but generally unnecessary. And I don't agree with letting people say whatever they want. I expect people to act like rational, civilized adults; when they fail to meet that obligation I am well within my rights to reasonably modify my approach to them. If they want to vent, they can vent all they want when I'm done with them. If I wouldn't put up with a certain behavior from my nine year old son, I'm damn sure not gonna put up with it from a stranger.

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    I don't stick with a set Schpeel. I never tell them to have a good night or really chew anyone out. I tell them why I stopped them and ask for documents. I use alot of discretion when it comes to traffic violations. Unless its the felony license plate light violation leaving a dope house.
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