View Poll Results: Is the War in Iraq winnable
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I have no clue
No we will never win this
Yes if we follow the track were on
Yes if we stop dicking around and let the generals win the war
Yes, #4 plus get rid of the rules of engagement allow our troops to fight
Yes to add to #4 & 5 we just need to go old school and start carpet bombings again, it worked in WW2
Thread: War Poll
03-14-07, 01:59 AM #1
In your own thoughts is the war winnable, and if so how should it be done
03-14-07, 02:05 AM #2
Personally I think that the government has lost its stomach for actual war. Like when we used to drop Napalm and burn entire city's on enemy soil. I think they would rather have a stale mate and just occupy and area for 50yrs than win a war outright.
03-14-07, 02:44 AM #3
I don't support the carpet bombing idea, because there are a lot of good people in Iraq. I've met them. They have the potential to be a great, free nation if given the chance.
The violence is almost entirely occuring in Baghdad. My solution would be to surround the entire city with walls, fences, and/or trenches to keep people and vehicles from entering or leaving the city without going through official checkpoints. In addition to the entrances to the city, build permanent checkpoints at all bridges and any other natural chokepoints. Use American soldiers to man the checkpoints and search every single vehicle or pedestrian that wants to pass through. Yes, traffic would be a nightmare. But the weapons would stop getting through. Better to be stuck in traffic than dead.
It would force the enemy to attack the checkpoints directly. Yes, there would be casualties. But a lot of our casualties now come from IEDs, which we can't even fight back against.
The other main component to my plan would be to stop letting terrorists out of prison. Most Americans don't realize is, but planting IEDs in Iraq can get you a jail sentence like passing a bad check does here. Terrorists do their time, probably learn some new skills from each other like our own criminals do, and then they're back out on the street to try again.
If a person is captured in Iraq that's involved in making war against the Iraqi government or Coalition forces, they need to be held like POWs until the war is over. No trial, no early release, just hold them until Iraq is on its feet. Then worry about where and how to release them.
And finally, we would do a lot of good there by initiating a program similar to the Works Progress Administration that helped lift us out of the Great Depression. The Iraqi people need jobs, and there's plenty of things that unskilled labor could do to improve the country. A lot of the people setting IEDs are doing it to feed their families because they can't find any other way. Giving them honest work would give them an option besides terrorism for pay.
I also have a plan to secure Iraq's borders from foreign weapons, but I think if my other plans were implemented there would be no need to secure the borders."I'm not a coward,
I've just never been tested
I'd like to think that if I was,
I would pass"
~Mighty Mighty Bosstones~
03-14-07, 04:05 AM #4
Society has gained whole and complete new outlooks on life. This "war" will never be won. The shame of this situation is good men and women are dying for a lost cause. How do you eradicate a belief? To destroy terrorism, which in my opinion is a belief, you would have to kill everyone who believes in such and modify the thoughts, behaviors, and beliefs of all the children brought into such a belief. Terrorism is a learned behavior just like domestic violence. If you don't or can't stop the cycle it never ends.Do not war for peace. If you must war, war for justice. For without justice there is no peace. -me
We are who we choose to be.
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03-14-07, 04:13 AM #5Cheech Guest
I say we get the fuck out of there. in my opinion no point in us being there.
03-14-07, 05:18 AM #6
I don't think the war can be won. I don't say this to belittle the work that our soldiers are doing either. But, people have been fighting over there for the last 1,000 years. And, if they've ever agreed on anything, it is pretty much that they don't like us! So, I can't see us ever stopping the bloodshed, even if we do put a handpicked "democratic" puppet government in place.
Additionally, I'm not really sure what we are accomplishing at this point. I was all behind the Afghanistan offensive... we had an enemy, and we pursued them. But, we seem to have lost focus with the emphasis on Iraq.
I fully support our troops, and would love to see victory, but I just don't think it is realistic. And, while it is easy to bomb a country into the stone age, and simple to destroy governments (I think this part took us about three weeks), it is very tough to change a nation's outlook on the world... to, in a sense, change their entire culture - which is essentially what we are attempting here.
I say we cut bait on the Iraq issue... Our military resources can be used better.
03-14-07, 07:37 AM #7
Iraq is something of a lost cause.
Too many tribal feuds, never ending revenge killing between the shia and sunni muslims.( Funny how no islamic nation or our own media point out it is muslim killing muslim!)
We leave, they sort it out between themselves once and for all.
We'll get the blame anyway for going in in the first place.
Afghanistan is a different proposition. This is still where the terrorists are training and need to be snuffed out but where our resources are insufficient, there is also a proper mandate to act there. Just need to get the other nato forces to actually contribute!the sole advantage of power is that you can do more good.
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03-14-07, 07:40 AM #8
I think we can eventually win the war on terrorist. But I dont think we will live to see that victory. If we keep it up I think it will be our great grandchildrens generation or great great grand childrens generation that will win it. Its going to be a long fight. Do I think we will be or need to be in Iraq for all that time?? No of course not. We only need to be in Iraq long enough to help the country and government there to stand on its own and take over the rains for its country. Let them deal with violence and crime as they see fit to do so. We should just be giving them the time to get to that point."An Unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper
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03-14-07, 07:43 AM #9
Iraq is a country that took hundreds of years to become this way. It will not be fixd by removing one person and staying in country for a few years.
It is a civil war that is brimming and will soon boil over. These feelings are nothing new, they were merely kept in check by ruthless dictators or other nations actions. Muslims vs. muslims is nothing new, wont be fixed anytime soon. However there are good points to the country, majority of the people want peace and while they chafe at seeing the US over there, they understand the need.
Can it be won, yes but not the way its being done now."Sometimes people need a little help. Sometimes people need to be forgiven. And sometimes they need to go to jail."
03-14-07, 08:46 AM #10
Tell the Democrats to shut up and amke a full blown effort to Kick Ass.
03-14-07, 10:51 AM #11
I beleive most on this forum are to young to remember Viet Nam(met a high school junior a while back that never heard of it )but that is what I am beginning to sense.Can we win? No.This "war" has been going on for thousands of years,are we naive enough to think that because we are the greatest fighting force in the world we can win ,when we have no definable enemy? when everyone is a possible bomber,or martyr in the making,? Me I dont think so.
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i dont even know why we are still there,sadam's dead,there were no weapons of mass destruction found, i just dont get it. our people are dying over there for what? we are spending tons of money over there that we could use to make america a better place.
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03-14-07, 04:36 PM #15
We need more oil! That is why we are in the Middle East. The US is 35 years past peak production and must rely upon large imports of oil to keep our economy afloat. We will be in Iraq (read Middle East) for decades to come.
03-14-07, 05:06 PM #16
03-14-07, 05:53 PM #17
[QUOTE=armygrnt502;171436]Iraq is a country that took hundreds of years to become this way. It will not be fixd by removing one person and staying in country for a few years.[QUOTE]
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03-14-07, 07:15 PM #18
with all due respect to those who have posted, this is a winable war. Our military is the greatest in the history of mankind, when allowed to unleash it full force andmight it cannot be stopped, by any number of adversaries, or any amount of history it is forced to overcome. If these brave soldiers were allowed to conduct this like a WAR and not a POLICE ACTION or NATION BUILDING, there is no enemy who could stand in our path. The militarys job id to kill people and break stuff, and they are VERY good at that. We need to turn Syria, Iran, and any other country who is fueling this conflict in Iraq into a freaking parking lot. The nation of Iraq is attempting to beat back years of history as a dictatorship, and embrace democracy. As I recall from history class, our own great nation struggled with democracy, leading to one civil war and one attempt at seccesion...and no one threw in the towel on us, and if not for the help of the French, yes the frogs, we could have never defeated the British. So don't forsake Iraq because they are having some growing pains, all new democracies do. Don't lose faith in or military, for the have it in them to complete the task...but DO hold our politicians to the fire, they need to let the Military do its job, and then let that useless body of thugs and despots the UN try to rebuild the countries that stand in our way.500 fights, that's the number I figured when I was a kid. 500 street fights and you could consider yourself a legitimate tough guy. You need them for experience. To develop leather skin. So I got started. Of course along the way you stop thinking about being tough and all that. It stops being the point. You get past the silliness of it all. But then, after, you realize that's what you are.
03-14-07, 07:19 PM #19
03-14-07, 07:36 PM #20
Yes, The US is becoming increasingly dependent on foreign oil, but the biggest source is not the Middle East. In 1996, US wells still produced slightly more than half the oil consumed in the US.
The US last year imported $100 billion worth of crude from 97 nations. Some 47 percent of imports came from the Americas. In fact, Canada—with $14.5 billion in sales—was the top foreign supplier of oil to the US last year. Next came Venezuela, from which the US imported $13.3 billion worth of oil. Saudi Arabia is the third-largest individual supplier of oil to the US, with sales of $12.5 billion last year. The Middle East supplies less than one quarter of all imports.
We are not in this war for oil. For the oil war pay attention to the US relations with Mexico and Canada.
And I guess personally I would rather have them fighting over there and THEM having to deal with that crap then have them bring that shit over here and then we would have to deal with it. Tell me you wanna deal with patroling your beat and not only having to worry about scumbags and the barking dogs but will my ass be blown away by an IED
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