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    Virus!

    I just want to share this information.

    I am no computer guru by any means , and just learned of 2 different FREE sites for virus scans, protection.

    I just downloaded "AVG", and "Clean-Up" on my computer.
    AVG found 13 virus's while doing a scan, and also deleted then, also repairing the infected files that they were attached to.
    i think this is some pretty cool stuff.

    The "Clean-Up", cleaned all the old files out,and now the computer runs like it should after taking care of the virus's, and cleaning up the computer

    I blamed this site for running so slow, however that wasnt the case at all.
    I have no problem's now, yeah, i am excited. For once i didnt have to pay $150.00 to have this PC fixed.

    Ok, not that any of you really give a rats a$$, but just thought i would share this info, just in case someone out there isnt aware of these sites.
    YEAH, IM THE BERRIES, AND CHERRIES IN YOUR REAR VIEW MIRROR.

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    As smart as man is, we haven't been able to invent a machine that can smell drugs or tell us where a person has walked, Dogs are sophisticated investigative tools!

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    Too much porno

    What am I saying... carry on!

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    I use AVG, as well as Spybot Search and Destroy, which is another free program, for wiping Spyware. It seems to run quite well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virginian View Post
    Too much porno

    What am I saying... carry on!
    Schuuuu!!!!!!!!!!
    Wifes still awake
    YEAH, IM THE BERRIES, AND CHERRIES IN YOUR REAR VIEW MIRROR.

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    Eat it, Play with it, or piss on it, and walk away!

    As smart as man is, we haven't been able to invent a machine that can smell drugs or tell us where a person has walked, Dogs are sophisticated investigative tools!

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    Too many virus/Spyware removal programs can bog down your memory- just like a virus or spyware would. I had that problem. Recently a friend hooked me up with something call Webroot Spy Sweeper. If you can't find it on the shelf, ask the guy at the counter. It's only about fifty bucks, but it does it all and my computer runs much faster since I used it, and took Spybot and Norton and all that other crap off.
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    Yeah, i had to take the Roadrunner Medic off.
    it wouldnt work at all with it.
    Thanks for all the advice, like i stated before, i am far from being a big guru at this, but its fun learning.
    YEAH, IM THE BERRIES, AND CHERRIES IN YOUR REAR VIEW MIRROR.

    Handle every stressful situation like a dog.
    Eat it, Play with it, or piss on it, and walk away!

    As smart as man is, we haven't been able to invent a machine that can smell drugs or tell us where a person has walked, Dogs are sophisticated investigative tools!

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    Do like I did and buy a Mac. They cost a little more $$$ but there is a lot less to worry about when it comes to viruses and spyware.

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    I use avast for virus scans (freeware)
    I use spybot s&d and adaware for spyware.

    I have no problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie X View Post
    Do like I did and buy a Mac. They cost a little more $$$ but there is a lot less to worry about when it comes to viruses and spyware.
    I bought my step-son a mac for xmas,
    its been at the computer shop far about 3 weeks.

    found out that its a g3 or something, an older version.
    its for sale for $60.00
    YEAH, IM THE BERRIES, AND CHERRIES IN YOUR REAR VIEW MIRROR.

    Handle every stressful situation like a dog.
    Eat it, Play with it, or piss on it, and walk away!

    As smart as man is, we haven't been able to invent a machine that can smell drugs or tell us where a person has walked, Dogs are sophisticated investigative tools!

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    Quote Originally Posted by k-9max View Post
    Yeah, i had to take the Roadrunner Medic off.
    it wouldnt work at all with it.
    Thanks for all the advice, like i stated before, i am far from being a big guru at this, but its fun learning.
    Yeah, RoadRunner Medic doesn't do shit for me - It just annoyingly pops up when my internet goes down, but doesn't do anything that I can't do from the command line or by rebooting my cable modem & PC (resetting my IP number, etc).

    I do however use RoadRunner's free firewall/AntiVirus/Anti-Spyware packages, which are written by Computer Associates. they're crude compared with McAfee or Symantec, but they're free

    Another thing I do is put my PC behind a NAT firewall router - I have an SMC Barricade. That prevents hackers from being able to bypass your software firewall, and it also allows you a VERY easy way to share the Internet connection to several computers at once.

    The wired NAT routers sell for as little as $30, and the wireless routers (which are very convinient if you have a laptop or PC's in other rooms) are easily found for less than $100 + the cost of wireless network cards for each computer (also very cheap). If you get a wireless one, though, be sure to get one that has secure encryption & have a tech show you how to configure the encryption, so someone passing by your house with a laptop can't hack into your network & get to files on your PC.
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    For spyware crap I use and HIGHLY recommend Ad-Aware SE. ITS FREE and highly recomended by Download.com

    Its easy to use and its FREE.
    I also use the AVG virus stuff also FREE..
    Are you seeing a pattern here???
    I also run Spybot S&D once in awhile
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    Quote Originally Posted by E-man View Post
    Are you seeing a pattern here???
    Hmmm.... you like porn too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virginian View Post
    Hmmm.... you like porn too?
    LMAO
    YEAH, IM THE BERRIES, AND CHERRIES IN YOUR REAR VIEW MIRROR.

    Handle every stressful situation like a dog.
    Eat it, Play with it, or piss on it, and walk away!

    As smart as man is, we haven't been able to invent a machine that can smell drugs or tell us where a person has walked, Dogs are sophisticated investigative tools!

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    I get annoyed about the whole virus/spyware thing. Rantifesto follows.

    Its all a series of tradeoffs.

    The primary route for virus distribution has always been the unsuspecting victim. This is why emailed viruses work. People like attention and like to think they're being sent something good. I'd guess the percentage of viruses spread through means other than email would be single digit. Low single digit.

    Viruses sound scary, but they've long been over-hyped. They were all the rage in the 90's with no lack of companies stepping up to fend them off. (and some found to be spreading them to make their own antivirus products more marketable) I've had one, a self inflicted infection on a spare machine to verify someone passing around their new game wasn't a nice person. Even at that it took all of a half hour to clean and it did no damage to the existing files. Most viruses were proofs of concept written by new coders who do it for fun.

    Still, you didn't want one. If you didn't open unsolicited email attachments and only used pirated software from trusted sources you really had no need for a virus scanner. Yes, even software pirates were at so low a risk as to be all but nonexistent with regard to viruses. That's about the only way you could get a virus back then though. Email, DCC, sneakernet, piracy.

    Viruses = non issue.

    Malware/spyware = real.

    What's the difference between a virus and spyware or malware? Nothing really. It was a name change. About the same time malicious code became a real concern it got renamed to something more friendly. Strange really.

    How do you get malware? Just about any way. If you have Active-X scripting enabled in IE you might as well just assume you have an infected system. Java, a nice idea, is a huge security risk, since it doesn't sandbox securely. Even flash has security risks. Just browsing to a website - even if you don't click an "OK" dialog for anything - can result in an infection.

    Is malware overhyped too? Yes, severely. If you stick to trusted sites you're much more likely to be hit by a falling asteroid. Porn sites, crack sites = big chance.

    What will happen if you get infected? Most likely not much on your end. Your computer might slow down a bit, but here's the dirty little secret - running an antivirus/antispyware suite will, in almost every case, slow your computer down more than being infected!

    Most of the time when you get infected your computer becomes a zombie at the will of the person controlling the malicious code. They're very very rarely after your bank records and they're not stealing your pictures. Primarily they're lining up other zombies for DoS attacks. Estimates range from 40% to 80% of computers being such zombies. How likely depends on which OS you're running, if you've kept up with patches before infection and your user habits.

    Sidebar : A couple of days ago it finally came out that Florida's election computers were slammed by a worm. Computers put on the net in 2006 were infected with a worm from 2003.
    http://www.computerworld.com/action/...icleId=9019560

    Ok, back to topic, where was I?

    Right, back to present concerns.

    What should you do today to prevent infection?
    Much the same as ever. Don't open unsolicited email attachments! If a friend sends something without prior notice, look at the attachments carefully to make sure you know what kind of file it is. When in doubt, pass. Be careful about the websites you visit. If you must have your nefarious sites fix, install a second browser and use it instead of IE. Better yet, just don't use IE at all and use one of these instead. (more secure at this moment)
    Opera : http://www.opera.com/
    Firefox : http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/

    Make sure to keep Windows updated. Tuesday is patch day for Microsoft. MORE important these days though is to keep your APPLICATIONS updated. For example, last year's edition of Adobe Quicktime Player, presented more of a security risk than running unpatched Windows. That's becoming another dirty little secret to security. People are used to suspecting Windows of being the problem, but they won't upgrade their applications. There's a shame aspect to this, with application vendors trying to push security updates hidden behind or mixed with very minor feature updates which don't appeal to users. Microsoft has been shamed. They've learned from it and are really quite good at this point.

    Short version : keep your applications updated.

    You can run a firewall and a virus scanner and a spyware/malware scanner, but if your application has a hole none of those will help.

    TXCharlie gave an extremely useful bit of advice earlier. Running behind a hardware NAT firewall will protect you from just about every inbound attack. That's $30 one time for as long as you use it, vs however much your virus/spy/malware software costs each year. As computer security goes that's the best bargain around.

    That all said, AVG is a clean and respected product. No reason not to use it for your virus protection if you so choose.

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    Just don't underestimate all viruses. I got a nasty one from Hannibal and I'm still trying to figure out how. Must have used the toilet seat right after him...

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    There, got that out of my system. Its not that there's anything wrong with running a software firewall and a virus scanner and a spyware scanner. But those should be the last lines of defense security, not the first. Kinda like having multiple airbags and not using a seatbelt.

    So now that I've vented how about a few tips?

    You've heard it a million times, but I'll say it again. Strong passwords. Saw an article the other day listing the top 10 passwords, amazing how many people still use "showittome"
    For your convenience Steve Gibson provides a password generator at GRC - handy to pull chunks from. https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm

    Bunches of good stuff at GRC, and much of it for free. Run your system by the Shields Up! test to see how your connection security is doing.

    If you use webmail, you're subject to man in the middle attacks. Much more likely someone will be able to read your email that way than through spyware. Remedy? Use the httpS protocol. Just add an S after the http in the address bar to invoke it, then bookmark that link and you'll never have to do it again. This way everything traded back and forth between you and the server is encrypted. Google mail supports that, think Yahoo too, if your email system doesn't don't expect it to be private. Of course anything you send is subject to being read when your friend opens it over a non secure link.

    If you have or are planning to get a router make sure to change the password on it. Simple really, yet the vast majority of people leave it as the default.

    Also on a router, if you have one which supports wireless make sure to turn WPA on and use a strong password even if you're not using the wireless portion. Nothing like explaining the kiddie porn downloaded over your connection because someone a block away was using it. If your router only supports WEP toss it. WEP has been cracked so effectively it takes only a few seconds of running a commonly available script to break it. Or you could do what I did - cut the antennas off Mine only has about 3 feet of range now which is all I need. If someone breaks into my house to use my router I've got more problems than wireless encryption.

    NEVER log into an account you don't want to share with the world on a library computer. Or any public computer. This is where the spyware actually works the best in collecting hundreds of account logins. Chances are even if your personal computer got infected anyone who got a log of your keystrokes is going to toss it and move onto something more target rich. (imagine the poor sap reading a log of my use to try to find something useful)

    Of course, if you must use a public computer, make sure to clear the clipboard before you let the next person on.

    Enough rambling for now. Point is there are lots of ways the security of your computer and remote accounts can be affected, and most can be improved on without buying anything. That's where I get frustrated with Symantec, McAfee, etc. I don't mind that they're making money off some of the least likely risks, but people get a false sense of security because they think their software has them covered. Better to spend your money on backup software - a dead hard drive is much more of a threat to your data than blackhat hackers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virginian View Post
    Just don't underestimate all viruses. I got a nasty one from Hannibal and I'm still trying to figure out how. Must have used the toilet seat right after him...
    I'll believe that the moon is made of cheese, NASA staged the moon landing, Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, and that the U.S. Government secretly backed the 9/11 attacks before I believe that you got a virus from Hannibal's toilet seat...

    Tell the truth, you guys have been jackhammering each other's backsides for years now...

    Last edited by countybear; 05-19-07 at 12:49 PM. Reason: Changed 'hammering' to 'jackhammering'... much more descriptive. :)

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    Some viruses harmless but others are extremely nasty, and can infiltrate entire networks, especially in a work environment where database servers, web servers, and the like can be disabled (which shuts down the whole business). A lot of times, a virus twiddling with the registry or embedding itself in system files will cause PC's and servers not to reboot properly, often blue-screening.

    I've seen it happen, and it's no fun to be up for 3 or 4 days straight helping to re-build servers and desktop PC's because of a virus that copied itself all over the network.

    The network admins I used to work for have also seen keystroke-capturing viruses, which captures every keystroke the user makes into a text file, and periodically emailed the captured data to obscure Hotmail addresses, to be read by who knows who - That can include passwords and all sorts of private stuff. I know one company I worked for tried to file criminal charges because they traced the origin, but nothing ever came of it.

    According to the scuttlebut, one very early keystroke virus was even found on one of our workstations in room that handled secret DOD data back in the late 1980's - That caused quite a stir, and caused them them to remove all the floppy disk drives from the computers in there, because someone inserting an infected floppy was thought to be the source of the virus. Apparently they had run out of floppies, and someone went outside the room to get a used floppy off their desk to use, if I remember the story right. Once the disks were in the room they couldn't bring them out, but they could bring them in, up to that point. But of course all this was 2nd-and 3rd-hand, so who knows what really happened - All I know for certain was that it did cause a stir.
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    Apparently they had run out of floppies, and someone went outside the room to get a used floppy off their desk to use
    Sneakernet strikes again! In the end the most effective tools are common sense and good practices.


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    lol - Yeah, sneakernet

    Sneakernet was made necessary because once upon a time, they had to unplug all the network cables from the wall before processing secret data (I assume by now defense contractors have DOD-approved isolated secure networks, but they didn't while I was working there)

    I have no idea how they worked after they removed all the floppy drives... Maybe they connected the workstations together using tin cans and kite string
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