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    Here's your chance, why Obama?

    Here's your opportunity to win me over in the presidential race.


    I've heard enough rabble about racism as a primary reason people will refuse to vote for Obama.. so much so, that a large number of minority voters contest that any vote not cast for Obama is one cast for bigotry... Sorry, but I've been called worse, a lot worse, and secondly, you aren't going to threaten or bully a vote out of me, ever.


    Regardless, here's your opportunity, you progressively minded advocates of "change". I invite you to give me valid and factual reasons why I should support Obama as president.

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    I would also like to hear it. Although I'm conservative and proud, I'll always vote for the best candidate, regardless of there political party.

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    The Economy isnt getting any damn better the way its ran now. If mccain/palin are put in office we will see not only a recession, but a depression.

    Im not saying im voting for Obama either. personally, im getting sick and tired of all the ads on tv. I think the american people need a change, but unfortunally, one person isn't going to make that happen.

    Obama is the only choice we, as americans have, that is, if you want to vote.
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    I cannot tell you why to vote for him, but I can give my opinion. Sen. Obama is one of the senators from right here where my family and I live. Since he was elected to serve us I have not seen, or heard of, him do anything but campaign for president. Thusly I will NOT be voting for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kannahspapa View Post
    I cannot tell you why to vote for him, but I can give my opinion. Sen. Obama is one of the senators from right here where my family and I live. Since he was elected to serve us I have not seen, or heard of, him do anything but campaign for president. Thusly I will NOT be voting for him.
    I wondered how that actually works. He is to be working for the people that elected him into office, then he's on the road touring america, and different countries trying to win the presidential election. Good Feedback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kannahspapa View Post
    I cannot tell you why to vote for him, but I can give my opinion. Sen. Obama is one of the senators from right here where my family and I live. Since he was elected to serve us I have not seen, or heard of, him do anything but campaign for president. Thusly I will NOT be voting for him.
    So what's Obama's connection to Tony Rezko? Is he in Tony's pocket too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-9max View Post
    The Economy isnt getting any damn better the way its ran now. If mccain/palin are put in office we will see not only a recession, but a depression.
    Interesting... I would really like to hear why you think that would be..

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    I am finding this Presidential race to be one of the most depressing and distressing one since I was old enough to vote.

    I went from a devoted McCain supporter, to one just shaking my head over his new wishy-washy persona. I realize a lot of this was for the benefit of some of the right-wing enclaves who hated him, but it leaves me feeling gutted.

    I may write in Ron Paul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-9max View Post
    The Economy isnt getting any damn better the way its ran now. If mccain/palin are put in office we will see not only a recession, but a depression.
    That would be functioning under the assumption that both global and domestic economic conditions -- within and outside of previous executive policy factors -- would remain the same, along with environmental economic stresses, (i.e. storms, foreign oil, mortgage defaults), consumer confidences and spending practices, as well as corporate economic climates also continue to follow the precise paths that have existed for the previous 25 years. Such a statement would also certainly assume that all economic policy made in the United States squarely on the shoulders of the executive branch, and not influenced by the judicial or legislative bodies whatsoever, and I think we all know that to be incorrect.

    I'd call that a shaky bet at best. You are drawing vast assumptions. I need specifics. Sorry.

    Im not saying im voting for Obama either. personally, im getting sick and tired of all the ads on tv. I think the american people need a change, but unfortunally, one person isn't going to make that happen.
    I asked, "why Obama." You are giving me the same "why not Obama" that the news media, and every other Obama supporter that I've talked to has given.

    I'm sincerely looking for something in Obama's experience, ability, and platform which would serve as reason for me to seriously consider voting for him. "Change", in and of itself, is simply not a reason, as "change" can be either positive or negative. I need to know what "change" means, as it applies to our national condition, and how Obama can create a positive change for both the country, and its people.

    Obama is the only choice we, as americans have, that is, if you want to vote.
    Obama isn't the only choice we have, or else there wouldn't be an election, he'd just be appointed.

    Not voting, in my personal opinion, isn't an option. I will vote. It is my duty to do so. It is the constitutionally-designed means for my voice can be heard. Men and women have sacrificed all that they have, and even life itself to give me that voice, and for me to treat that opportunity with disregard is callous and unpatriotic. I will vote for a presidential candidate, now I invite all who read this to assist me in making my choice, using only substantive, rational, and thoughtful premises.

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    I'm not sure what to tell you, CB..watch the debate tonight and see who you like better. I lean toward Obama because healthcare for all Americans is an issue that's really important to me. Also, apparently (I use that word because economic stuff is woefully over my head) his team of economic people are better than McCain's economic people, which I think would benefit the country right now. I like his idea of re-deploying the troops from Iraq (where they need to start using some of their massive national surplus to fight their own fight) and moving them to Afghanistan to try to crush Al Qaeda before they are allowed to re-strengthen. I also think that our nation has taken a large hit in terms of worldwide credibility and Obama would help to repair that (althought I think McCain would also do a fine job in this regard). I'm not going to tell someone how to vote, as some issues are big for some people and not that important for others...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw View Post
    Also, apparently (I use that word because economic stuff is woefully over my head) his team of economic people are better than McCain's economic people, which I think would benefit the country right now.
    Obama's chief economic advisor is the man who resisted the Republican plan to prevent the collapse of Fannie and Freddie well back before it became this problem we have to pay for. 2004-5. wasn't it?

    He is sort of considered the "dolt" in economic circles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    Obama's chief economic advisor is the man who resisted the Republican plan to prevent the collapse of Fannie and Freddie well back before it became this problem we have to pay for. 2004-5. wasn't it?
    Never made it out of committee:

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    Let's see when the democrats to over congress 2 years ago they were going to balance the budget, bring down gas prices and give energy independence. I saw nothing but hearings trying to hang everyone else, gas prices doubled, budget got worse, and now energy supplies are the lowest since 1967. OH Yes, I forgot it's Bush's fault but he can't pass the legislation to get things done.

    I can't wait to see what Obamanation will be like.

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    This did make it out of committee. This was the start of the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mack crisis. Take note of who was pushing this plan. This same party can push through any plan they want right now except for 9 Senate votes. I want no part in giving this party anymore power over my life. The Republicans haven't been making my life easier either, but Obama and his kind (ie big government, socialist) would actively make my life harder.

    This article was published 9/30/99

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...nie+Mae&st=nyt

    I would hardly call this source conservative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Five-0 View Post
    This did make it out of committee. This was the start of the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mack crisis. Take note of who was pushing this plan. This same party can push through any plan they want right now except for 9 Senate votes. I want no part in giving this party anymore power over my life. The Republicans haven't been making my life easier either, but Obama and his kind (ie big government, socialist) would actively make my life harder.

    This article was published 9/30/99

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...nie+Mae&st=nyt

    I would hardly call this source conservative.
    Thanks for covering that for me.
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    Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits...

    ...''Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990's by reducing down payment requirements,'' said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae's chairman and chief executive officer...

    ...In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's...

    ...''From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us,'' said Peter Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ''If they fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry.''
    Great article, I'd say that there was vast prophecy regarding the failure of this program, one that was closely espoused by the previous (Democratic) administration... also, wasn't Franklin Raines one of Obama's closest economic advisors as well? Didn't Mr. Raines plea out of cooking the books at Fannie to secure higher bonuses for senior executives?

    I'd count all this as a negative on the Democratic party and Obama as a candidate for president.

    I wanted you guys to talk me into voting for Obama, not out of it...

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    CB, you're not going to get an answer from the Obama-supporters because he never gave them one. His entire campaign is based on "change" (which he never elaborates on) and "I'm not McCain."

    I'm not saing McCain's campaign is much better. It's been pretty much "I'm not Obama" up until recently, and then he started in on the "change, oh yeah- I'm a candidate for change, too" platform.

    Both are sock-puppets for their parties and don't have the stones to give definitive answers.
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    CB,
    I didnt write my statement to get into a pissing match with you, or anyone else.
    I was merely helping start conversation on the matter. If you want to vote, great, i didnt say i wasnt voting, i was saying that are options are LIMITED.
    I am a democrat. Do i feel that i should vote for a democrat? no, not at all. I am tired of hearing the bull shit both parties throw at each other all the way to the end.


    I am no way at all a huge Political buff. For me to sit here and tell you, that i know it all, id be lying to you. I've listened to enough shit from both parties to just turn to TV off now.
    It is always the same bullshit every election. They promise this, they promise that, in the end does that really get done? Fuck no it doesnt. So, both parties need to show ME what they will do for ME, AND MY FAMILY. I dont give a fuck about china, india, ect.....that does nothing for me.
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    i dont like either candidates; but mccain is who id vote for.
    im considering moving to ireland or italy when i retire if this great nation we have doesn't get its act together... soon.
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