I'm Glad Educated People are Voting for Obama

**gopherpuckfan** · 10-24-08, 10:52 AM

Not a big Howard Stern fan, but the fact these people are voting should frighten you.

YouTube - Howard Stern's show: Harlem voters

**10-42Adam** · 10-24-08, 11:01 AM

Pathetic. These people are voting for him for all the wrong reasons...

**pac201** · 10-24-08, 11:18 AM

never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers...

**Ryan** · 10-24-08, 01:59 PM

Scary

**countybear** · 10-24-08, 03:53 PM

Never underestimate the power of the media to ill-inform the masses.

**pgg** · 10-24-08, 05:24 PM

Now did they explain what they did to these idiots or did they just let them keep thinking that?

**Kate** · 10-24-08, 05:31 PM

I found this on another forum yesterday and was speechless when I listened.

All I could think was - we're doomed!

**MacLean** · 10-24-08, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by 10-42Adam

Pathetic. These people are voting for him for all the wrong reasons...

There's a right reason?

**Buttercup** · 10-24-08, 07:31 PM

That's scary.

**Wolven** · 10-25-08, 08:58 AM

Wow....just wow.

**Jenna** · 10-25-08, 10:19 AM

at the guy who said "I wouldn't do that either" with regard to stem cells. Doing stem cells sounds pretty icky!

Although in fairness I suspect one could find some McCain supporters who would also claim to agree with McCain's policies even if they were really Obama's.

**Terminator** · 10-25-08, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Jenna

at the guy who said "I wouldn't do that either" with regard to stem cells. Doing stem cells sounds pretty icky!

Although in fairness I suspect one could find some McCain supporters who would also claim to agree with McCain's policies even if they were really Obama's.

Maybe...but if you did, it sure as hell wouldn't be in large numbers like the Obama supporters.

**121Traffic** · 10-26-08, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by Jenna

Although in fairness I suspect one could find some McCain supporters who would also claim to agree with McCain's policies even if they were really Obama's.

Jenna, I like you but sometimes you're pretty fucking exasperating.

The point of the clip was to showcase an (apparent) racial bias within the black community for Obama. There are uneducated people on both sides, and there are people out there I'm sure who will vote for McCain rather than Obama simply because he's white. The fact of the matter, however, is that Obama does have a "novelty" factor of being the first black candidate, and you're just fucking naive if you don't believe that a large portion of the black population will vote for him simply because of his race.

**dtestguy** · 10-26-08, 01:24 AM

Total craziness!.

**Jenna** · 10-26-08, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by dtestguy

Total craziness!.

Even test users who don't exist think this is crazy!

Too bad they can't vote!

**Jenna** · 10-26-08, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by 121Traffic

There are uneducated people on both sides, and there are people out there I'm sure who will vote for McCain rather than Obama simply because he's white. The fact of the matter, however, is that Obama does have a "novelty" factor of being the first black candidate, and you're just fucking naive if you don't believe that a large portion of the black population will vote for him simply because of his race.

I actually agree with this--even Barack Obama has said that he thinks some black racists will vote for him just because he's black. He said they would cancel out white racists who will vote against him just because he's black.

Neither blacks nor whites who vote strictly on race and don't care about policies are numerous enough to constitute a significant percentage of either population, though--John Kerry performed similarly to Obama among both blacks and whites:

According to the most recent Gallup poll of registered voters (Oct. 13-19), 44% of non-Hispanic whites preferred Obama, while 91% of non-Hispanic blacks prefer Obama.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/108040/Ca...port-Race.aspx

In the 2004 election, 43% of non-Hispanic whites voted for Kerry, while 93% of non-Hispanic blacks voted for Kerry. http://www.gallup.com/poll/9469/Elec...-20002004.aspx

The difference this time is that the Obama campaign is likely to get greater black voter turnout (and young voter turnout) than Kerry's campaign got.

**Terminator** · 10-26-08, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Jenna

He said they would cancel out white racists who will vote against him just because he's black.

Neither blacks nor whites who vote strictly on race...

GRADE A BULLSHIT. 90-something percent of blacks are voting for Obama, largely due to his race. 90-something percent of white people are not voting for McCain. So I don't see how they cancel out. And I don't see how some people can think no race will vote strictly on race. The numbers prove otherwise.

**Jenna** · 10-26-08, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Terminator

GRADE A BULLSHIT. 90-something percent of blacks are voting for Obama, largely due to his race. 90-something percent of white people are not voting for McCain. So I don't see how they cancel out. And I don't see how some people can think no race will vote strictly on race. The numbers prove otherwise.

If 90-something percent of blacks are voting for Obama due largely to his race, how would you you explain why 93 percent of black voters voted for Kerry in 2004 while only 91 percent of black registered voters say they'll vote for Obama?

And there are a lot more whites than blacks overall, so even if the percentage of whites who are racist is smaller than the percentage of blacks who are racist, there would still be a larger number of racist whites than racist blacks.

I think there are blacks and whites who vote primarily based on race, but a comparison of Kerry's percentages to Obama's percentages among both blacks and whites suggests that both racist groups are no more than a percentage points, and washed out by the margin of error.

**121Traffic** · 10-26-08, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Jenna

If 90-something percent of blacks are voting for Obama due largely to his race, how would you you explain why 93 percent of black voters voted for Kerry in 2004 while only 91 percent of black registered voters say they'll vote for Obama?

And there are a lot more whites than blacks overall, so even if the percentage of whites who are racist is smaller than the percentage of blacks who are racist, there would still be a larger

You're posts are defending a point that I'm not even making. I'm not saying that Obama is going to win solely based on the racist black vote. I'm saying that it's bullshit in the first place that race enters politics, regardless of what fucking side it's on.

Again, I like you, but you spew this touchy feely bullshit like we don't sniff and call out bullshit for a living. Your Kerry-v-Obama stats don't mean anything when you consider the fact that there will be an unprecedented black voter turnout this election as compared to whatever the number was back in 2004. A lot more blacks are going to vote in this election SIMPLY because Obama is running. Granted, I haven't done the research to get the exact numbers, but I know enough about voter turnout in general to know that the Obama ticket will draw out a lot of deadbeat voters on ALL sides, and the large majority of those black deadbeat voters will vote for him simply due to the color of his skin.

I would also venture to guess that a lot of the racist whites that would vote against Obama due to his race are probably already extreme-right wing radicals that would have voted for McCain anyway. There goes a large portion of the "cancelling out factor" that you were talking about.

That's all I'm arguing, nothing more, nothing less. You can't refute it, but you justify it by simply stating "it won't matter in the long run." Guess what...sometimes I don't give a shit about the end result. What I do care about is the bullshit means that got us to that end. It's an exercise in principle. And voting based on race, WHICHEVER race, is horseshit.