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    Angry Punk pulls gun on cop, parents ask why he was shot

    http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/473589.html

    IMO, perfectly acceptable shoot. Why do people think there is a difference in shoot to kill and shoot to maim? You shoot to eliminate a threat! You aim center mass and where they go, they go. Parents should have disciplined him as a youth and maybe he would still be alive today.
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    Their kid had ADHD and a slew of other 'conditions' that they were trying to get state dollars for. I suspect the family will try and sue the officer, regardless that the little shit put a gun in the officer's face. It's all about the money for them.
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    If the system is as screwed up as it is in NYC, the family will sue and get a settlement. Hopefully that is not the case, the shooting was justifiable, the cop should not be liable in any civil lawsuit.

    At the range the training is Shoot to Stop, aim center mass. People watch too much television and really do not have a clue what it is like to be involved in a shooting. Most shootings are over in less then a minute, there is no time to second guess.

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    Sounds justified to me.... Unfortuanetly they need to pass a law stating if the shooting was justified then the suspect/family has NO right to sue.
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    " Fifteen-year-old Kelvin Rodolph picked the wrong person to rob. "
    I just read this....Nuff said.

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    +1 Stupid people. I was always taught never to point a gun at anything unless you are going to use it to kill someone or something.

    If the kid had so many "other" medical problems, he should have been or stayed in a padded room where he couldn't be a danger to anyone. If the kid was that bad off, where was his supervision, Where were his parents.

    How is the officer supposed to know. BB guns look like the real thing. Shoot to maim, pfft. Whats next? The parents and extended family are found to be Obama supporters? I wouldn't be surprised.

    When the officer failed to respond quickly enough, Rodolph raised what appeared to be a semi-automatic handgun inches from McCulley’s face and again said, “Give me everything you have.”
    You can't place any blame on the officer. He was just following directions.

    Burton, who serves as counsel to the Buffalo Police Benevolent Association, said state law is very clear on individuals being permitted to defend themselves in a robbery.



    “You have no duty to turn tail and run when someone is trying to rob you with a weapon. That goes for a citizen or, obviously, a police officer,” Burton said. “It turns out it was a BB gun, but that’s of no account because the victim of a robbery doesn’t have to learn to his disagreeable surprise that it is a real weapon.”

    I suspect the officer will be cleared, hopefully he will be able to get through this experience.


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    and this is EXACTLY why I concealed carry when I was allowed to and why EVERY state should allow law abiding citizens to carry. Unfortunatly I live in one of two communist states that don't allow it. Yet. I've been in contact with the NRA and helping them fix this
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    Unfortunate that it happened, but that's really it. The kid was going to rob someone, and picked the wrong victim. Now a police officer is going to have to live with the fact that he shot a 15 year old kid, deviant nutcase or not.

    A lot of people don't seem to understand there is no shooting to maim in the real world. You shoot at the biggest part of them you can (hopefully) hit, and pray that with the short amount of time, fear, confusion and adrenaline at least some of your shots hit home and stop the other guy before he gets you. If you are crazy enough to point ANY kind of gun at a police officer, you had better stand by for the consequences. Ol' Kelvin learned what those consequences were the hard way. Fortunately, in this case ... it was a self correcting problem.

    Prayers for that officer, and the perpetrator's family.
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    “No shooting should be decided that fast. The family is pressing for a thorough investigation. I want to know why the officer had to shoot to kill?
    Tell ya what gramps,lets go to the mini mart at 0130,I walk up to you with a bandana over my face and a knit cap over my eyes,I will than proceed to stick my Glock .40 in your face and demand everything you have --twice.

    THAN,you can tell me how fast is to fast

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    Quote Originally Posted by 213th View Post
    and this is EXACTLY why I concealed carry when I was allowed to and why EVERY state should allow law abiding citizens to carry. Unfortunatly I live in one of two communist states that don't allow it. Yet. I've been in contact with the NRA and helping them fix this
    You mean there is another besides California? I guess I just learned something new today.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CTR man View Post
    You mean there is another besides California? I guess I just learned something new today.
    according to this map http://www.handgunlaw.us/ , Wisconsin and Illinois are the only states that have no CCW provision. Every other state has it, some choose not to use it/make it to difficult to obtain one.
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    I stand corrected. I thought that since it is so difficult to get a CCW in CA for law abiding citizens that I thought it changed to impossible.

    Whats up with Wisconsin and Illinois?


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    Quote Originally Posted by CTR man View Post
    I stand corrected. I thought that since it is so difficult to get a CCW in CA for law abiding citizens that I thought it changed to impossible.

    Whats up with Wisconsin and Illinois?
    I dunno. My brother used to live in Illinois and he said just to go into a gun store you need a Firearms Owner Identification Card. In Wisconsin, we have a retarded liberal governor that vetoed the bill twice. So the AG this year started issuing them anyways, but only to LEO's covered by HB218
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    I am going to disagree with almost everyone here.

    That is, with everyone here who is calling this kid disabled/a nutcase/etc. From what I read in this article, he had ADHD and bipolar disorder. Not to minimize those disorders (and they are classified as mental DISORDERS...NOT mental illness), but there are plenty of productive people with those conditions in society today. The bottom line is that those disorders did NOT cause him to mask up, leave home at 2am, and shove a simulated deadly weapon into the face of who he thought was a sheep-citizen.

    I don't give two shits about his disorders. 99.99999999999&#37; of people with those problems don't di what this fucking shithead did. So this kid was somehoe worse off than others with the same conditions? That's what the family will try to say. They must suck to have, but that is NO excuse. This kid had the mental capacity to KNOW what he was doing was wrong...enough to know that he should conceal his identity. He also knew enough to bring a gun to get the job done. I don't give a shit that it was a BB gun. Fuck that family member who says otherwise. Rest assured that had this mope had access to a real firearm, he would have brought it. Whether or not it was a BB gun, he had the intent to simulate a real firearm. That's the key in ANY court of law, and I wish I could teach that know-nothing family member a lesson by smacking them upside the head with a criminal law textbook.

    Sorry, but this article, and the slant the media openly gives it, really torques me off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 121Traffic View Post
    I am going to disagree with almost everyone here.

    That is, with everyone here who is calling this kid disabled/a nutcase/etc. From what I read in this article, he had ADHD and bipolar disorder. Not to minimize those disorders (and they are classified as mental DISORDERS...NOT mental illness), but there are plenty of productive people with those conditions in society today. The bottom line is that those disorders did NOT cause him to mask up, leave home at 2am, and shove a simulated deadly weapon into the face of who he thought was a sheep-citizen.

    I don't give two shits about his disorders. 99.99999999999% of people with those problems don't di what this fucking shithead did. So this kid was somehoe worse off than others with the same conditions? That's what the family will try to say. They must suck to have, but that is NO excuse. This kid had the mental capacity to KNOW what he was doing was wrong...enough to know that he should conceal his identity. He also knew enough to bring a gun to get the job done. I don't give a shit that it was a BB gun. Fuck that family member who says otherwise. Rest assured that had this mope had access to a real firearm, he would have brought it. Whether or not it was a BB gun, he had the intent to simulate a real firearm. That's the key in ANY court of law, and I wish I could teach that know-nothing family member a lesson by smacking them upside the head with a criminal law textbook.

    Sorry, but this article, and the slant the media openly gives it, really torques me off.
    You make an interesting point. I am sure there are many members of society that have gone on to be productive citizens that have these disorders. Could it be possible that these said citizens made the decision to stay on their medications? The media as usual didn't divulge that information as to whether or not the dumbass was on or off his medications.

    Not a medical doctor or specialist here but I would tend to agree with you. Any time the media gets a hold of something like this they play it to the hilt on whatever spin they can put on it. If the dumbass knew right from wrong as you pointed out, the disorders shouldn't matter.

    It also makes me very irate when people try to play the system when they find out that they or their loved one has these conditions just to make them feel special. "Oh its not enough money that we are getting right now so we have to find out something else so we can get more." (sarcasm) I hate the poor pitiful me attitude that some are playing these days, and to think that some even get compensation for it.

    I am guessing that many need to learn the difference between a disorder and an illness?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 213th View Post
    I dunno. My brother used to live in Illinois and he said just to go into a gun store you need a Firearms Owner Identification Card. In Wisconsin, we have a retarded liberal governor that vetoed the bill twice. So the AG this year started issuing them anyways, but only to LEO's covered by HB218
    I think its time to get that "retarded liberal governor" out of there and put someone in that knows what they are doing. Either recall them like we did in CA or make sure they don't serve another term.


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    I have AD/HD and it doesn't make me bad and want to hurt people. And, I am not a psychologist but I did work for one for awhile typing transcription and if I remember correctly, Oppositional Defiant Disorder generally has its cause in poor parenting. The shooting sounds more than justified to me and if I felt my life was in danger, I would do what I had to do to stop the threat -- and I'm not LE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CTR man View Post
    I think its time to get that "retarded liberal governor" out of there and put someone in that knows what they are doing. Either recall them like we did in CA or make sure they don't serve another term.
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    Mr. Rodolph' s mental disorders have been corrected.
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