HR 45 and 22 Amendment

**dadyswat** · 01-15-09, 08:58 AM

Just doing some reading and I see there are a couple of bills being introduced, the first is HR 45 which is licensing and registration of firearms and owners and the second is to get rid of the 22nd Amendment. I was able to pull up HR45 from the House of Representatives site but I don't have a bill number on the other. Has anyone else seen these?

**PapaBear** · 01-15-09, 11:04 AM

H.J. Res. 5: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second...

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hj111-5

**Xiphos** · 01-15-09, 11:11 AM

Removing the 22nd Amendment (Presidential Term Limits) so Barack can be King For Life.

**mtaylor** · 01-15-09, 11:18 AM

Ignorance at it's finest!

**Five-0** · 01-15-09, 11:24 AM

And people say the Republicans are imperialist.

**Retdetsgt** · 01-15-09, 01:58 PM

I suspect Clinton is behind this. Nobody wanted to run for a third term more than he did.

As far as Obama goes, let's see how popular he is in a few years......

**Morris** · 01-15-09, 04:40 PM

At the end of his term, Clinton and the Dems leadership at the time were vocal in their desire to have the presidential term limits abolished so he could continue on. The reality of the time was that if there were no term limits, Clinton sttod an excellent chance of having a third term.

**Jks9199** · 01-15-09, 11:57 PM

Some time ago, I recall reading an interesting idea... One term, 6 years.

Seems like most presidents do OK to pretty good during the first couple of years, not bad to pretty good during the next couple... but go sharply downhill halfway through their second (if they get it).

Don't know... but it's an interesting idea.

**CT209** · 01-16-09, 01:00 AM

Proposing changes to the Constitution is dangerous. I'll be the first to say I think some better language would be nice in certain places and that I'd like to see a few things changed or deleted. But in the long run, even the changes I'd agree with would probably have consequences that wouldn't help out the country.

Leave it alone.

**Retdetsgt** · 01-16-09, 01:31 AM

I seriously doubt it would pass in enough states to ever get ratified. Most people don't want a President for life.

**Morris** · 01-16-09, 11:00 AM

Actually, the buzz for having a Con-Con is growing. I wouldn't be surprised to see one being floated soon, "to correct deficiencies in a modern age."

**Retdetsgt** · 01-16-09, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Morris

Actually, the buzz for having a Con-Con is growing. I wouldn't be surprised to see one being floated soon, "to correct deficiencies in a modern age."

They can have it, but when push comes to shove most Americans are pretty much middle of the road politically and I doubt they would be interested in having the constitution tweaked.

The fact the government swings from left to right and back shows they extremism of any flavor doesn't carry much water. As much as I disliked him, Clinton wasn't all that liberal. I think that's why he was so popular, he was fairly center. I didn't like him because he was an opportunist and didn't have the guts to protect our nation. But he did push welfare reform and other than Hillary's socialized medicine proposal, he didn't enact many liberal policies at all.

**MacLean** · 01-16-09, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Retdetsgt

As much as I disliked him, Clinton wasn't all that liberal. I think that's why he was so popular, he was fairly center. I didn't like him because he was an opportunist and didn't have the guts to protect our nation. But he did push welfare reform and other than Hillary's socialized medicine proposal, he didn't enact many liberal policies at all.

He didn't have the chance, because he had to run towards the middle to survive Republican Congress.

Whatever his actual political stripe was, he had to be pragmatic.

**Xiphos** · 01-16-09, 01:39 PM

Clinton got welfare reform jammed down his throat by a Republican congress.

**Jenna** · 01-16-09, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Xiphos

Clinton got welfare reform jammed down his throat by a Republican congress.

**Retdetsgt** · 01-16-09, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Xiphos

Clinton got welfare reform jammed down his throat by a Republican congress.

Not really. He took it from the Republicans in 1991 and made it part of his original campaign when he first ran and he still had a Demcratic congress.. He did it because he knew it was popular, not because anything was rammed down his throat. Besides, the Republicans never had enough of a majority to override a veto. The Republicans didn't get control of Congress until the last half of his first term.

Don't forget, he won the budget standoff with Gingrich and the Republicans when they tried to raise defense spending and cut some other things. The Republicans never really bullyed Clinton into anything. Not to mention they couldn't convict him in the Senate after he was impeached. Clinton managed to run roughshod over Gingrich and company and blame them for everything that went wrong. And the public bought it because the Republicans allowed it.

As far as PR and genuine political manuvering, the Republicans can't hold a light to the Democrats. They've allowed Bush to be a whipping boy for 8 years. The Democrats fought tooth and nail for Clinton when he was under fire.

**Retdetsgt** · 01-16-09, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by maclean

He didn't have the chance, because he had to run towards the middle to survive Republican Congress.

Whatever his actual political stripe was, he had to be pragmatic.

And that was what was appealing about him to the public. He did everything by polls. His poll takers screwed up with Lewinsky though and told him the public wouldn't want him to cop to it.

It made him popular, but it didn't make him a good President though.

**Xiphos** · 01-16-09, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Retdetsgt

Not really. He took it from the Republicans in 1991 and made it part of his original campaign when he first ran and he still had a Demcratic congress.. He did it because he knew it was popular, not because anything was rammed down his throat. Besides, the Republicans never had enough of a majority to override a veto. The Republicans didn't get control of Congress until the last half of his first term.

The Contract With America included legislation known as The Personal Responsibility Act and the legislation was introduced by Republicans as HR 4. It was passed by both houses of Congress in 1995 and vetoed by Clinton. In 1996 the "Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act" was introduced by E. Clay Shaw Jr, a Republican from Florida. It was passed by both houses and signed by Clinton into law in 1996.

**Retdetsgt** · 01-16-09, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Xiphos

The Contract With America included legislation known as The Personal Responsibility Act and the legislation was introduced by Republicans as HR 4. It was passed by both houses of Congress in 1995 and vetoed by Clinton. In 1996 the "Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act" was introduced by E. Clay Shaw Jr, a Republican from Florida. It was passed by both houses and signed by Clinton into law in 1996.

You're right. I was thinking it was in his first campaign. But Clinton managed to take it as his own though. He took credit for it rather than veto it because it was popular.

**Xiphos** · 01-16-09, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Retdetsgt

You're right. I was thinking it was in his first campaign. But Clinton managed to take it as his own though. He took credit for it rather than veto it because it was popular.

He was indeed a masterful politician.