New immigration laws

[Cheech]

Whats up with it? I havent paid attention really to the news. Im driving to work today and there is like literally 800 mexicans walking down the street and LVMPD is right behind. Looked like a riot. I thought it was for a good cause so My beaner ass started honking!! what law came out?

[Virginian]

Mexicans are no longer allowed to drive or walk on the sidewalks You're lucky the 5-0's didn't see you!

[Cheech]

Half the police were mexican!!! Im proud to be mexican, It was kinda sweet to see them marching down like that. No violence or anything! Just was amazed how many people are doing that! There is around 40 LVMPD in front of my work right now lining up for something!

[Cheech]

Im not a LEO yet.

[lcsodre108]

WASHINGTON - The Senate Judiciary Committee approved sweeping election-year legislation Monday that clears the way for 11 million illegal aliens to seek U.S. citizenship, a victory for demonstrators who had spilled into the streets by the hundreds of thousands demanding better treatment for immigrants.

With a bipartisan coalition in control, the committee also voted down proposed criminal penalties on immigrants found to be in the country illegally. It approved a new temporary program allowing entry for 1.5 million workers seeking jobs in the agriculture industry.

"All Americans wanted fairness and they got it this evening," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (news, bio, voting record), D-Mass., who played a pivotal role in drafting the legislation.

There was no immediate reaction from the White House, and Sen. Lindsey Graham (news, bio, voting record), R-S.C. said he hoped
President Bush would participate in efforts to fashion consensus legislation. "The only thing that's off the table is inaction," said Graham, who voted for the committee bill.

The 12-6 vote broke down along unusual lines, with a majority of the panel's Republicans opposed to the measure even though their party controls the Senate.

Sen. Jon Kyl (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., seeking re-election this fall in his border state, said the bill offered amnesty to illegal immigrants, and sought unsuccessfully to insert tougher provisions. He told fellow committee members that the economy would turn sour some day and Americans workers would want the jobs that now go to illegal immigrants. They will ask, "how could you have let this happen," he added.

Committee chairman Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania was one of four Republicans to support the bill, but he signaled strongly that some of the more controversial provisions could well be changed when the measure reaches the Senate floor. That is "very frequently" the case when efforts to reach a broad bipartisan compromise falter, he noted.

In general, the bill is designed to strengthen enforcement of U.S. borders, regulate the flow into the country of so-called guest workers and determine the legal future of the estimated 11 million immigrants living in the United States illegally.

The bill would double the Border Patrol and authorizes a "virtual wall" of unmanned vehicles, cameras and sensors to monitor the U.S.-Mexico border.

It also allows more visas for nurses and agriculture workers, and shelters humanitarian organizations from prosecution if they provide non-emergency assistance to illegal residents.

The most controversial provision would permit illegal aliens currently in the country to apply for citizenship without first having to return home, a process that would take at least six years or more. They would have to pay a fine, learn English, study American civics, demonstrate they had paid their taxes and take their place behind other applicants for citizenship, according to aides to Kennedy.

"Well over 60 percent of Americans in all the polls I see think it's OK to have temporary workers, but you do not have to make them citizens," said Kyl.

"We have a fundamental difference between the way you look at them and the way I look at them," Kennedy observed later.

Arizona GOP Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), a potential presidential contender who worked with Kennedy on the issue, told reporters the street demonstrations had made an impact. "All those people who were demonstrating are not here illegally. They are the children and grandchildren" of those who may have been, he said.

The committee met as several thousand demonstrators rallied at the foot of the Capitol. Many were members of the clergy who donned handcuffs and sang "We Shall Overcome," the unofficial anthem of the civil rights era.

After a weekend of enormous rallies — a crowd of as many as 500,000 demonstrators in Los Angeles — thousands of students walked out of class in California and Texas to protest proposals to crack down on illegal immigrants.

"Do you see the community? Do you see how many people didn't go to work today," asked Janet Padron, attending a rally in Michigan.

Her remark underscored one of the issue's complexities.

Senators on all sides of the issue agreed that illegal workers hold thousands of jobs that otherwise would go unfilled at the wages offered.

The agriculture industry is "almost entirely dependent on undocumented workers," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif.

In purely political terms, the issue threatened to fracture Republicans as they head into the midterm election campaign — one group eager to make labor readily available for low-wage jobs in industries such as agriculture, construction and meatpacking, the other determined to place a higher emphasis on law enforcement.

That was a split Bush was hoping to avoid after a political career spent building support for himself and his party from the fast-growing Hispanic population.

"America should not have to choose between being a welcoming society and being a lawful society," Bush said at a naturalization ceremony for new citizens. "We can be both at the same time."

Bush has said he favors a guest worker program, but it is unclear whether the administration would insist on a provision to require illegal immigrants already in the country to return home before they are allowed to apply for citizenship.

At several critical points, committee Democrats showed unity while Republicans splintered. In general, Graham, Sen. Sam Brownback (news, bio, voting record) of Kansas and Sen. Mike DeWine (news, bio, voting record) of Ohio, who is seeking re-election this fall, voted with the Democrats. That created a majority that allowed them to shape the bill to their liking.

Feinstein won approval for the five-year program to permit as many as 1.5 million agriculture workers into the country. "It will provide the agriculture industry with a legal work force and offer agriculture workers a path to citizenship," she said. The vote was 11-5, with Republicans casting all the votes in opposition.

Kennedy prevailed on a proposal to allow an additional 400,000 green cards for future immigrants, regardless of the industry where they find jobs.

[Cheech]

America did say "give me your weak your poor and your hungry"
Something along those lines.

[Virginian]

I'll be happy just to have someone who will work hard and not bitch about it!

[Cheech]

I'll be happy just to have someone who will work hard and not bitch about it!

Absolutely.

[StanSwitek]

America did say "give me your weak your poor and your hungry"
Something along those lines.

200 years ago when we were not bursting at the seams. That was also in reference to LEGAL immigration.

[Cheech]

200 years ago when we were not bursting at the seams. That was also in reference to LEGAL immigration.

Not starting a argument or anything but I think we shouldnt teach that then in schools. THat shouldnt even be said if we dont want to follow by it. I mean I understand both sides.

[Virginian]

I'd rather have a few million paying taxes than a few million wasting tax money by making us shuttle them back across the border each day.

[lcsodre108]

The problem is not with those that want to come in and work and pay taxes, it is with the ones who smuggle drugs, import other people, and bring crime to our country, for their own benefit. I don't care where you come to America from, as long as you obey our laws, pay taxes like I do, and don't expect my dollars to support you.

[Cheech]

So I guess there is Riots in RENO and Vegas.LOs angeles was yesterday.
It was kinda stupid three people challenged the police, They got taken down quickly.

[pmfc]

So I guess there is Riots in RENO and Vegas.LOs angeles was yesterday.
It was kinda stupid three people challenged the police, They got taken down quickly.

Wow. I live in Sacramento CA and there were two days of protesters walking the streets downtown near the capitol, but LE kept a close eye on them and there were no problems that I know of.

[StanSwitek]

Not starting a argument or anything but I think we shouldnt teach that then in schools. THat shouldnt even be said if we dont want to follow by it. I mean I understand both sides.

It is a very small part of our nations history. When taught it should be taught in the context in which it was intended.

[Cheech]

It is a very small part of our nations history. When taught it should be taught in the context in which it was intended.Of course we sh

leave some out?

[StanSwitek]

How our Congress facilitates illegal alien crime wave
Article by Frosty Wooldridge
Juny 22, 2004

Published in the The Washington Dispatch

Aren’t you impressed how your senators and congressmen tell you what a
great job they do while they represent you in the hallowed halls of
Congress? Do you receive quarterly postage-free letters touting their
wondrous achievements inside the Beltway? Don’t you find it reassuring
Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge stands behind a lectern with the
American seal behind him and tells you what a great job he’s doing to
keep our nation secure? Later, he raises the crisis level color to scare
the pants off you and your family. As if there was a damned thing any of
us could do about it!

With an average of 2,000 illegal aliens streaming across our Mexican
border daily, it’s little wonder dozens of them aren’t Muslim terrorists.
Unfortunately, an unknown number of them ARE Muslim terrorists.

Since we have no troops on the border, no one knows for sure how many
terrorists cross daily. However, Ridge ‘knows’ they’re planning an attack
around election time. Still, he places no troops on the borders. Still,
he does not demand internal enforcement. Still, we are at deadly risk in
this international terror game.

Worse, facts substantiate that corporations, governors, mayors, Ridge,
Bush and Congress do more to aid and abet illegal aliens importing
themselves into our country than anyone ever imagined. The facts bear
this out in every state of our Union. We are under a full-scale
colonization by Third World criminals.

What are some of the ways? For every illegal alien caught crossing our
borders, they are released back at the border within a few days. One man
I interviewed in Sierra Vista, Arizona attempted 11 crossings.
Immigration officials released rifleman Malvo when he should have been
deported, but instead, shot 14 Americans from the trunk of his car. An
illegal alien killed David Marsh, Los Angeles police officer, last year.
The alien fled back to Mexico where he remains on the loose today.

Drug smugglers brutally shot 28 year old National Parks Ranger Kris Eggle
at Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument. In Boulder, Colorado last summer,
eight illegal aliens raped eight American women and fled to Mexico. A
Central Park female jogger was raped and killed by illegals last year.

One illegal alien in Santa Barbara, California infected 56 other people
with tuberculosis as reported on April 24, 2004, by the Santa Barbara
Press-News, " Anatomy of an Outbreak." He was one of 13 million illegal
aliens who have crossed over our borders without being health screened.
Is that not a crime if all his victims end up dead from TB? Tuberculosis
kills two million people annually worldwide. It’s streaming into America
via unscreened illegal aliens. What makes it more of a crime stems from
the fact that our national leaders refuse to uphold their sworn oath of
office to ‘protect and defend the Constitution of United States." They
are complicit and an accessory to the crime by their inaction.

Last week, in Wenatchee, Washington, the man now charged with the murder
of deputy Saul Gallegos in Chelan was "voluntarily removed" from the
United States three times in recent years but he always came back. Twice
illegal alien Jose Sanchez-Guillen was removed from the border at Blaine,
and once in Wenatchee. Furthermore, this is the third time in recent
years that an illegal alien has been charged with the murder of a
Washington State police officer. Does it take another 50 or 100 murders
of Americans before Ridge puts troops on the Mexican border?

A look at the MS-13 Salvadoran gangs shows them operating in 28 cities.
The 20,000 member "18th Street Gang" in Los Angeles features 60 percent
of its members as illegal aliens. They organize and distribute the 75
percent of illegal drugs crossing our unguarded borders with Mexico.
Those drugs addict our kids and create more crime in our cities. Last
year, illegal aliens stole 57,600 vehicles in Phoenix according to the
Arizona Department of Motor Vehicles. It makes you wonder how long this
crime wave would be allowed if illegals stole White House limousines and
cars out of the Congressional parking lot every day?

Is the picture becoming clearer? It gets worse! Illegal aliens and legal
immigrants comprise 29 percent of our state and national prison
population. Can you imagine the thousands if not millions of Americans
who suffered from that 29 percent in prison? Doesn’t that make you ask
the obvious question, "Why are we letting such criminal elements from the
Third World into our country?"

Even more sobering is the sanctuary law ‘Special Order 40’ implemented in
dozens of major cities across the nation. This law makes it impossible to
arrest, detain or deport illegal aliens by local police. Los Angeles
police are shackled by it and they have three million illegal aliens
laughing at law enforcement in the streets of California. Houston,
Chicago, Detroit, New York, Atlanta, Miami and many others sport this
criminal magnet. It’s a free pass to stay out of jail or from being
deported. This order aided 9/11 terrorists gain Virginia driver’s
licenses. That time, Special Order 40 helped kill 3,000 Americans in
9/11. Why is it still in effect? Because mayors in dozens of cities
adopted it to protect illegal aliens from arrest and deportation! It’s a
dereliction of duty to American citizens.

Governor Baldacci of Maine signed the first ‘state sanctuary’ for illegal
aliens in March 2004. Congressman Chris Cannon of Utah openly encourages
illegal aliens into Utah. His accomplice, Senator Orrin Hatch encourages
them with the Dream Act, assisted housing and school for illegal alien
kids K-12. Mayor Will Toor of Boulder, Colorado aided, with his sanctuary
law, the eight illegal aliens who raped those women. Hundreds of
senators, congressman, governors and mayors break federal laws by
assisting illegal aliens. INS--USC 8, 1325: 274, 275, 276, 277.

Our borders are as porous and invaded today as they were before 9/11. If
anyone is caught, there is no consequence except for a bag lunch and bus
ride back to the border. As of last week, our tax dollars now fly
illegals back to Mexico City so they can visit their relatives before
coming back across our borders.

When will Americans shout, "Enough is enough!" When will they demand a
halt to the average of 2.3 million legal and illegal immigrants annually
importing their Third World crime into our country? At what point do we
create a Third World quagmire of crime and disease so pernicious and so
pervasive that we can’t stop it, can’t contain it and can’t manage it?
What happens when our country falls victim to its own lawlessness?

The facts stand that corporations, governors, mayors, Congress and
President Bush aid and abet this invasion. They will continue unless you
take action. We desperately need a 10-year moratorium on all immigration
and troops on our southern borders.

For your information, illegal alien Sanchez-Guillen is now charged with
aggravated, first-degree murder and is being held without bail. It’s too
late for the police officer he killed. It will be too late for our
country if we don’t realize history’s lessons of imminent national
suicide if we allow continuation of this immigration invasion.

[Cheech]

So make it a felony to hire a mexican guy who wants to work?

[TXCharlie]

No, just being a Mexican will either be a Felony or a windfall, depending on which law passes.

(I'm just quoting junk I heard people say on TV - I think Hitler was also mentioned. Was Hitler Mexican, or did he just hire Mexicans? )

[Virginian]

His mustache was waaaay too small to be a Mexican.