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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm357
    I feel sorry for her. She has obviously been brainwashed by that cult, Christain Peace keepers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThisGlock40
    Tell me I'm not the only one who knew who Jill Kelly was

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm357
    Porn star du jour! I gots most of her flicks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewtx
    Or trying to stay alive.

    This is exactly what I am saying. Let's give her time before we pass judgment. I highly suspect this was a coerced statement. She needs time to recover; then she'll tell us how it really was over there. Or maybe she'll retreat into silence and never address the issue again. I can imagine she was terrified. Besides, if I was being offered death or freedom on the condition of making a tape, well, sorry people on this board, it'd be the tape and home with me. You can say you'd never do anything like that, but you can't really say until put in that situation. I think a great many here might be inclined to do the same thing so long as they could retract it later.

    Also, as I posted earlier, Stokholm's could also be to blame for this. Who knows until we get all the facts and she has at least seen someone who can help her.

    If either of these are not the case, fuck her. She can go back and live with them if she likes them so much. I just really don't think this is it though.
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    I just don't think so. What about those folks who were just rescued by the British. They were still in full blown hippie evil establishment\military mode even after said establishment had saved their ass and after they had tortured and beheaded one of their compatriates.

    These journalists feel the urge to stick their head into everything and now in order to save her own ass she makes this video talking about how right they are and how wrong we are.

    How many suicide bombers and asshats with rifles are going to be recruited and how many of them are going to kill a US soldier because of what this one idiot woman did.

    It is a warzone you freaking idiots! Journalists expect that they deserve some sort of special privilege-
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterK

    How many suicide bombers and asshats with rifles are going to be recruited and how many of them are going to kill a US soldier because of what this one idiot woman did.

    Sorry, but I'd rather watch a coerced propaganda video than the video of her murder. I think she deserves the benefit of the doubt.

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    Meh, its like sticking your head in a bear trap and then being surprised when the damn thing shuts on you.
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    Ok I will chime in here. Jill Carroll is actually from my home town of Leavenworth KS. Her family owns some major business but thats besides the point. My father actually talked to her dad a day or two ago and they were talking about this very thing. Her father stated that she was forced to make the tape saying that she supports the way that they are and what they do. Also if you look real close in the tape when she is at the embassy where they are asking how she was treated you will see her playing with her hands. According to her dad when she lies she does that. I do not know the girl real well, but my father has dealt with her father for over 20yrs now. I would venture to say that there is no reason that he would lie to my father. But thats just my .02.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris2001
    Ok I will chime in here. Jill Carroll is actually from my home town of Leavenworth KS. Her family owns some major business but thats besides the point. My father actually talked to her dad a day or two ago and they were talking about this very thing. Her father stated that she was forced to make the tape saying that she supports the way that they are and what they do. Also if you look real close in the tape when she is at the embassy where they are asking how she was treated you will see her playing with her hands. According to her dad when she lies she does that. I do not know the girl real well, but my father has dealt with her father for over 20yrs now. I would venture to say that there is no reason that he would lie to my father. But thats just my .02.
    That's pretty much what Fox News is reporting now......

    I would suspect that once she gets home (supposed to be in the US on Sunday) she will change her tune.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearcat06
    That's pretty much what Fox News is reporting now......

    I would suspect that once she gets home (supposed to be in the US on Sunday) she will change her tune.......
    Well it looks like I can put away my verbal pitchfork with this one. I actually can't blame her; if I had a Muslim Terrorist with an AK-47 pointed at me I'd shit twinkies and sing show tunes to stay alive.
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    Carroll Rejects Statements Made in Iraq

    RAMSTEIN AIR BASE, Germany - Protected by the U.S. military and far from the country where she had been held hostage, Jill Carroll strongly disavowed statements she had made during captivity in Iraq and shortly after her release, saying Saturday she had been repeatedly threatened.

    In a video, recorded before she was freed and posted by her captors on an Islamist Web site, Carroll spoke out against the U.S. military presence. But in a statement Saturday, she said the recording was made under threat. Her editor has said three men were pointing guns at her at the time.

    "During my last night in captivity, my captors forced me to participate in a propaganda video. They told me I would be released if I cooperated. I was living in a threatening environment, under their control, and wanted to go home alive. So I agreed," she said in a statement read by her editor in Boston.

    "Things that I was forced to say while captive are now being taken by some as an accurate reflection of my personal views. They are not."


    Carroll arrived in Germany on Saturday on a U.S. military transport plane on her way back to the United States and was expected in Boston on Sunday. The Islamic headscarf she wore as a hostage was gone, and she instead wore jeans and a gray sweater.

    The 28-year-old journalist a freelancer for the Boston-based Christian Science Monitor was seized Jan. 7 in western Baghdad by gunmen who killed her Iraqi translator. She was dropped off Thursday 82 days later at an office of the Iraqi Islamic Party, a Sunni Arab organization, and later escorted by the U.S. military to the Green Zone, the fortified compound in Baghdad protecting the U.S. embassy and other facilities.

    In the statement, Carroll also disavowed an interview she gave to the party shortly after her release. She said the party had promised her the interview would not be aired "and broke their word."

    "At any rate, fearing retribution from my captors, I did not speak freely. Out of fear, I said I wasn't threatened. In fact, I was threatened many times," she said. "Also, at least two false statements about me have been widely aired: One that I refused to travel and cooperate with the U.S. military, and two that I refused to discuss my captivity with U.S. officials. Again, neither statement is true."

    Carroll has said her kidnappers confined her to a small, soundproof room with frosted, opaque windows.

    After a day in seclusion, she left Balad Air Base near Baghdad on Saturday on a plane also carrying several wounded soldiers. Carroll smiled and peered with bemusement through the cockpit window at the dozens of television cameras on the tarmac at Ramstein Air Force Base.

    "I'm happy to be here," she said to Col. Kurt Lohide, the U.S. officer who greeted her.

    Carroll, who had studied Arabic and was widely respected for her balance and fairness as a reporter, attracted a huge amount of sympathy during her ordeal, and a wide variety of groups in the Middle East, including the Islamic militant group Hamas, appealed for her release.

    Aside from the short interview aired on Iraqi television upon her release, Carroll had otherwise not shown herself in public prior to her brief appearance Saturday.

    The kidnappers, calling themselves the Revenge Brigades, had demanded the release of all female detainees in Iraq by Feb. 26 or Carroll would be killed. U.S. officials did release some female detainees at the time, but said it had nothing to do with the kidnappers' demands.

    In the video posted Friday, her abductors said they freed Carroll because "the American government met some of our demands by releasing some of our women from prison."

    Also in the video, she called on President Bush to bring American troops home.

    "Tens of thousands ... have lost their lives here because of the occupation," she said in the video. "I think Americans need to think about that and realize day-to-day how difficult life is here."

    She said the insurgents were "only trying to defend their country ... to stop an illegal and dangerous and deadly occupation."

    In her statement Saturday, however, she condemned her captors, although she did not address the war in Iraq.

    "I want to be judged as a journalist, not as a hostage. I remain as committed as ever to fairness and accuracy to discovering the truth and so I will not engage in polemics. But let me be clear: I abhor all who kidnap and murder civilians, and my captors are clearly guilty of both crimes," she said.

    The Monitor's editor, Richard Bergenheim, said Friday that Carroll's parents told him the video was "conducted under duress."

    "When you're making a video and having to recite certain things with three men with machine guns standing over you, you're probably going to say exactly what you're told to say," Bergenheim told ABC television.

    Bergenheim said Saturday there were no negotiations that he knew of for Carroll's release and no ransom was paid. The paper hired her a week after she kidnapped.

    He said she was on her way home and "her family is just absolutely rejoicing."

    It was unclear precisely when Carroll would arrive. According to Richard Walsh, a spokesman for the Massachusetts Port Authority, Carroll was to land at Logan International Airport in Boston late Sunday morning.

    In her statement, Carroll thanked those who had helped secure her release and said she wanted time to recover.

    "I ask for the time to heal. This has been a taxing 12 weeks for me and for my family," she said. "Please allow us some quiet time alone, together."


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    See not all things are as they appear.
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    Exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewtx
    Or trying to stay alive.
    I have no problem with statements like those when she's wrapped in a burka fearing for her life.

 

 
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