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    Because California needs to spend MORE money

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    Lawmakers Consider an Animal Abuse Registry - NYTimes.com

    SAN FRANCISCO — California may soon place animal abusers on the same level as sex offenders by listing them in an online registry, complete with their home addresses and places of employment.

    The proposal, made in a bill introduced Friday by the State Senate’s majority leader, Dean Florez, would be the first of its kind in the country and is just the latest law geared toward animal rights in a state that has recently given new protections to chickens, pigs and cattle.

    Mr. Florez, a Democrat who is chairman of the Food and Agriculture Committee, said the law would provide information for those who “have animals and want to take care of them,” a broad contingent in California, with its large farming interests and millions of pet owners. Animal protection is also, he said, a rare bipartisan issue in the state, which has suffered bitter partisan finger-pointing in the wake of protracted budget woes.

    “We have done well with these laws,” he said.

    Last fall, California became the first state to outlaw so-called tail-docking of dairy cows, where the tail is partly amputated to ease milking. In 2008, voters in the state passed Proposition 2, which gave hens, calves and pigs more room in their crates or cages. That law has upset many in the California egg industry and prompted some agriculturally-minded residents to even talk about seceding from the state.

    Under Mr. Florez’s bill, any person convicted of a felony involving animal cruelty would have to register with the police and provide a range of personal information and a current photograph. That information would be posted online, along with information on the person’s offense.

    The bill was drafted with help from the Animal Legal Defense Fund, an animal-protection group based in Cotati, Calif., north of San Francisco. The group has promoted the registry not only as a way to notify the public but also as a possible early warning system for other crimes.

    “We know there’s a link between those who abuse animals and those who perform other forms of violence,” said Stephan Otto, the group’s director of legislative affairs. “Presumably if we’re able to track animal abusers and be able to know where they live, there will be less opportunity where those vulnerable to them would be near them.”

    In addition to sex offenders, California lists arsonists in an online registry, and the animal abusers would be listed on a similar site, Mr. Florez said. Such registries have raised privacy concerns from some civil libertarians, but Joshua Marquis, a member of the defense fund’s board and the district attorney in Clatsop County, Ore., said the worries were unfounded.

    “Does it turn that person into a pariah? No,” Mr. Marquis said. “But it gives information to someone who might be considering hiring that person for a job.”

    He added: “I do not think for animal abusers it’s unreasonable considering the risk they pose, much like the risk that people who abuse children do.”

    One supporter of the proposed law, Gillian Deegan, an assistant commonwealth’s attorney in Botetourt County, Va., says such a registry could also be valuable in tracking people who run puppy mills and animal-fighting rings, as well as hoarders, who sometimes collect hundreds of animals, often resulting in neglect.

    “A lot of times these people will just pick up and move to another jurisdiction or another state if they get caught,” said Ms. Deegan, who has written on animal welfare laws. “It would definitely help on those types of cases where people jump around.” One Web site — Petabuse.com — already offers a type of online registry, with listings of animal offenders and their crimes.

    Such registries have been introduced in other states, but never passed. In 2008, a similar bill in Tennessee stalled after passing the State Senate.

    That legislation was endorsed by the Humane Society of the United States, said Wayne Pacelle, the president and chief executive of the society.

    Mr. Pacelle said that the proposed financing mechanism for the California bill, a small tax on pet food, was “an extremely controversial idea” and unpopular with the pet food industry.

    Taxes are usually opposed by Republicans in California, and that gives Mr. Pacelle doubts about the bill’s prospects.

    “The idea of that succeeding in this climate in California is not high,” he said.

    But the bill’s sponsor, Mr. Florez, who recently helped establish an Animal Protection Caucus, which includes Republican members of the State Senate and Assembly, says he is confident that he has the votes to move the measure forward and estimates that the registry would cost less than $1 million to establish. He also said his background — he hails from the farming-friendly Central Valley — will help the cause.

    “I think people think, well, if Dean is supporting it,” he said, “it can’t be that off the wall.”
    I'm sorry. The sex offender registries are one thing due to the recidivism rates of sex offenders (although the extent of their usage is debatable when applied to situations in which there's no risk of recidivism, eg. a 18 year old who has consensual sex with his 15 year old girlfriend, is prosecuted for stat. rape, and later marries said girlfriend PROBABLY doesn't need to be included on an offender registry), but does this sort of thing warrant a registry? And why wouldn't more serious violent, non-sexual crimes warrant a registry first? I'd rather know if a murderer was moving in next door than an animal abuser, especially when you've broadened "animal abuse" to include "keeping chickens in pens that are statutorily too small."

    I'm actually almost shocked to read that Tennessee almost passed a similar law.

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    Well CA can do whatever it wants on the state level. I have no problem with that. This will benefit other states that compete with CA in these industries. They are simply making their state less competative. Now comparing someone that abuses an animal to a sex offender, yeah I think not. Are they someone I would associate with? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgg View Post
    I really need to leave this state
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgg View Post
    I really need to leave this state
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    Quote Originally Posted by Five-0 View Post
    Well CA can do whatever it wants on the state level. I have no problem with that.
    I'd have no problem with it either, except CA's state government has recently started begging and wheedling for federal money to bail them out of their financial woes.

 

 

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