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    Thumbs down New York Cops making Cops looking bad :(


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    It looks like those 2 NYPD cops made themselves look bad, if they are guilty of what they are accused of.
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    Thats true.. I thought about that as well, but you know what its like with cop haters, they always find some ammo against Law Enforcement. its something with the media, they always find dirt on cops, and yet never tell people what a dangerous job it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    It looks like those 2 NYPD cops made themselves look bad, if they are guilty of what they are accused of.
    Exactly. These two officers, if the story is true, made themselves look bad. It's disheartening when we read these types of stories but let's not forget to take a look at the bigger picture. How many officers with the NYPD didn't commit crime? How many times have they done the honorable thing? How many officers would cringe at the thought of committing this type of crime or any crime for that matter?

    While not what LE needs, it certainly doesn't define who or what they are. Just my .02
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    This is what happens when you lower the starting pay so low qualified applicants apply somewhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CopsRCool302 View Post
    Thats true.. I thought about that as well, but you know what its like with cop haters, they always find some ammo against Law Enforcement. its something with the media, they always find dirt on cops, and yet never tell people what a dangerous job it is.

    One might say that the media simply does precisely what you did.

    They lead with sensationalism to draw attention to the story they wish you to see.

    This site is for cops, not the cop haters - so you'll likely get a different response.

    Police work is a dangerous job, but is certainly nowhere near the most dangerous job, statistically. It certainly offers no excuse for immoral behavior like committing an armed robbery.

    I think Xiphos has the better point, which is that when you make police work pay what New York has, you will draw unqualified applicants.

    However, I count NYPD officers among my friends, and I know that almost all of the 37,000 of them are honorable, hard working cops despite their pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    One might say that the media simply does precisely what you did.

    They lead with sensationalism to draw attention to the story they wish you to see.

    This site is for cops, not the cop haters - so you'll likely get a different response.

    Police work is a dangerous job, but is certainly nowhere near the most dangerous job, statistically. It certainly offers no excuse for immoral behavior like committing an armed robbery.

    I think Xiphos has the better point, which is that when you make police work pay what New York has, you will draw unqualified applicants.

    However, I count NYPD officers among my friends, and I know that almost all of the 37,000 of them are honorable, hard working cops despite their pay.
    Very well said.




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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    One might say that the media simply does precisely what you did.

    They lead with sensationalism to draw attention to the story they wish you to see.
    I can say without a doubt that this was not CRC's intention. He was simply trying to make conversation as promised to a friend; he meant no harm. He understands now why the post was not appropriate for this site. As is the case with the media, and everyone else, we should not rush to judgment.

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    Starting pay is $40,062 base in the academy according to their website...and $43,000 base (48,000 with uniform allowance, holiday pay) after 1.5 years. I guess the cost of living is much higher there. Down here, thats starting pay for the top paying departments near the Birmingham metro...the ones that can pick and chose who they want.

    Starting pay for my little department is $24,190 for comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bama512 View Post
    Starting pay is $40,062 base in the academy according to their website...and $43,000 base (48,000 with uniform allowance, holiday pay) after 1.5 years. I guess the cost of living is much higher there. Down here, thats starting pay for the top paying departments near the Birmingham metro...the ones that can pick and chose who they want.

    Starting pay for my little department is $24,190 for comparison.
    Until recently they had a starting pay in the 20K range. There are years of cops hired under that contract and more than a few sub-standard I'm sure. The cost of living in NYC is astronomical and even at 43K that's still gotta be rough.
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    Google up a cost of living calculator and you can quickly find out if the pay holds water.

    In New York, the surrounding bouroughs pay two to three times as much as the PD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    Google up a cost of living calculator and you can quickly find out if the pay holds water.

    In New York, the surrounding bouroughs pay two to three times as much as the PD.
    Good idea. I put $43K in for where I live now and if I moved to NYC I'd need to make $100503.76 for an equivalent cost of living.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphos View Post
    Good idea. I put $43K in for where I live now and if I moved to NYC I'd need to make $100503.76 for an equivalent cost of living.
    So now imagine living where you do now, but only making about $20K/yr. and see how hard that would be. That's what rooks in NYC face. I don't know how anyone does it without having a second Full Time career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphos View Post
    Until recently they had a starting pay in the 20K range. There are years of cops hired under that contract and more than a few sub-standard I'm sure. The cost of living in NYC is astronomical and even at 43K that's still gotta be rough.
    I could be mistaken but I think that the starting pay was right around $25,000, which is an absolute disgrace.




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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaFuzz View Post
    So now imagine living where you do now, but only making about $20K/yr. and see how hard that would be. That's what rooks in NYC face. I don't know how anyone does it without having a second Full Time career.
    yeah, i heard guys fresh out of the academy were residing with 6-8 other cops in apartments just to get by. fuck that.
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    Yikes! I would need to make 140.47% more if I moved to NYC. Poor guys! (literally)

 

 

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