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    All Those Of Draft Age Get Ready

    Iran Leader: Israel Will Be Annihilated

    By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 29 minutes ago

    TEHRAN, Iran - The president of
    Iran again lashed out at
    Israel on Friday and said it was "heading toward annihilation," just days after Tehran raised fears about its nuclear activities by saying it successfully enriched uranium for the first time.

    President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Israel a "permanent threat" to the Middle East that will "soon" be liberated. He also appeared to again question whether the Holocaust really happened.

    "Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation," Ahmadinejad said at the opening of a conference in support of the Palestinians. "The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."

    Ahmadinejad provoked a world outcry in October when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map."

    On Friday, he repeated his previous line on the Holocaust, saying: "If such a disaster is true, why should the people of this region pay the price? Why does the Palestinian nation have to be suppressed and have its land occupied?"

    The land of Palestine, he said, referring to the British mandated territory that includes all of Israel, Gaza and the
    West Bank, "will be freed soon."

    He did not say how this would be achieved, but insisted to the audience of at least 900 people: "Believe that Palestine will be freed soon."

    "The existence of this (Israeli) regime is a permanent threat" to the Middle East, he added. "Its existence has harmed the dignity of Islamic nations."

    The three-day conference on Palestine is being attended by officials of Hamas, the ruling party in the Palestinian territories.

    Iran has previously said it will give money to the
    Palestinian Authority to make up for the withdrawal of donations by Western nations who object to Hamas' refusal to recognize Israel and renounce violence. But no figure has been published.

    On Tuesday, Ahmadinejad announced that Iran had successfully enriched uranium using a battery of 164 centrifuges, a significant step toward the large-scale production of enriched uranium required for either fueling nuclear reactors or making nuclear weapons.

    The United States, France and Israel accuse Iran of using a civilian nuclear program to secretly build a weapon. Iran denies this, saying its program is confined to generating electricity.

    The
    U.N. Security Council has given Iran until April 28 to cease enrichment. But Iran has rejected the demand.

    The chief of Israeli military intelligence, Maj. Gen. Amos Yadlin, was quoted Wednesday as saying Iran could develop a nuclear bomb "within three years, by the end of the decade."

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    im of draft age but aint gettin drafted!

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    I think I'm glad I'm already enlisted.
    He who has the money, signs the cheques.
    He who signs the cheques, makes the rules.
    He who makes the rules, has the power.
    He who has the power, has the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06AccordLX
    im of draft age but aint gettin drafted!
    True, the military does have minimum standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan Switek
    True, the military does have minimum standards.
    Yeah, but sometimes during periods of draft they approve waivers, lower standards, etc.
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    He who signs the cheques, makes the rules.
    He who makes the rules, has the power.
    He who has the power, has the money.

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    Can someone post the current draft requirements. Also Post how the draft is done!

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    Draft Fear

    Claim: The U.S. military will be reinstating the draft by Spring 2005.

    Status: Probably not.

    Example: [congress.org, 2004]

    http://www.congress.org/congressorg/...ua_congressorg

    Pending Draft Legislation Targeted for Spring 2005

    The Draft will Start in June 2005

    There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately.

    $28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the sss annual performance plan fiscal year 2004.

    The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

    Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year, entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18-26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services.

    Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era.

    College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

    Even those voters who currently support US actions abroad may still object to this move, knowing their own children or grandchildren will not have a say about whether to fight. Not that it should make a difference, but this plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes women in the draft.

    The public has a right to air their opinions about such an important decision.

    Please send this on to all the friends, parents, aunts and uncles, grandparents, and cousins that you know. Let your children know too it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change!

    Please also contact your representatives to ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills and contact newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story.

    Origins: As U.S. military involvement in Vietnam came to an end in 1973, so did the draft. For the first time since the days of World War II, the U.S. military shifted to an all-volunteer force; all vacancies in the armed forces were filled through recruitment and re-enlistments rather than conscription. (The requirement for young men to register with the Selective Service was not abolished until 1975, however, and it was reinstated in 1980.)

    As recent U.S. military involvement in places such as Afghanistan and Iraq has required the largest commitment of American troops since the mid-1970s, and the military has had to double the deployment periods of some units, call up additional reserves, and extend tours of duty by a year in order to maintain adequate staffing levels, the specter of a resurrected draft has been looming on the mind of many a young person. Although the possibility of a reinstatement of conscription cannot be ruled out, a renewal of the draft anytime soon appears unlikely, and one implemented as early as June 2005 seems rather improbable.

    As reflected in the message quoted above, the draft issue has largely come to public attention due to pair of bills introduced in Congress (S.89 and H.R.163) which seek to obligate all citizens and residents of the U.S. between the ages of 18 and 26 (both male and female) to perform a two-year period of national service (not necessarily as part of the military), and the Selective Service's advertising for volunteers to man draft boards around the country. However, both these bills were introduced not by legislators genuinely seeking to reinstate the draft but by Democrats seeking to make an anti-war statement, and they languished in committee for 21 months before Republicans brought the House version to the floor and overwhelmingly defeated it in October 2004.

    The Selective Service also maintained that the timing of ads to fill draft board positions was coincidental, part of a process of filling expired board positions that had been underway for several years:
    About 10,000 to 12,000 people serve 20-year terms as unpaid board members. [Selective Service spokesman Pat] Schuback said because the current board system was set up in 1979, and the bulk of volunteers stayed the full 20 years, many of the appointments expired beginning in 1999.

    That means hiring replacements has been going on for several years. Confusion arose in recent weeks when someone posted the hiring notice on www.defendamerica.mil, a Pentagon Web site about the war on terror, even though the Selective Service System is not a part of the Defense Department.

    "Serve Your Community and the Nation Become a Selective Service System Local Board Member," it said.

    Several newspapers around the world wrote stories, leading to questions about whether the government was planning to restart drafting enlistees. The stories appeared as news media wrote increasingly about the Pentagon's extensive mobilization of National Guard and Reserve troops for duty in Iraq.

    "It was a case of bad timing because of the war in Iraq and news about deployments," Pentagon spokesman Maj. Michael Shavers said of the Web posting. "It created a tempest in a teacup."
    Opinions from both those inside and outside the military differ as to what the manpower requirements of the U.S. armed forces will be in the near future, and whether the services will be able to continue to meet those requirements under the current all-volunteer system. And certainly not everyone agrees that general conscription is the best solution to potential staffing shortfalls, for a variety of reasons:
    While many in the military support conscription on the grounds of social equity or national service, nearly all professional soldiers think that bringing back the draft now would reduce the quality of the military, while driving up its cost.

    "The draft would be the Army's worst nightmare," said retired Lt. Col. Leonard Wong, now a research professor at the U.S. Army War College at Carlisle Barracks. "We have a high quality Army because we have people who want to be in it. Our volunteer force is really a professional force. You can't draft people into a profession."

    A fundamental problem with a draft today, experts say, is that the historic two-year period of conscription isn't enough time to get a return on the investment in training that modern soldiers require. "There's just too much equipment [draftees] could break," Pike said.

    A related problem: the cost of feeding, clothing, training and paying a large influx of unskilled personnel would gobble up funds the military needs for other purposes.

    "We're a personnel-based institution," Wong said. "If we have a lot more people walking in the door, it would suck up all of our resources."
    Since a reimposition of conscription would require Congressional approval, which has not yet been given, it is unlikely that a draft (even if approved by Congress) would be underway as early as Spring 2005:
    And even if the draft were reinstated tomorrow, it would take at least two years before it could produce additional soldiers for Iraq and Afghanistan, the experts say.

    "It will take 193 days from the time that we get started until the first person is presented to the Department of Defense," said Alyce Burton, a spokeswoman for the Selective Service. It would then take a year and a half to two years to train the draftees and form them into new combat units, Krepinovich said.
    Even if the draft started up again, it might be of a much more limited nature than in previous years, with only those who could fill specialized positions in certain fields (e.g., health care, linguistics, computer technology) being conscripted.

    There is no definitive answer to the question of whether or not the U.S. will reinstitute a draft. Obviously some thought has been given to the issue, but the possibility that such thoughts will be turned into reality appears rather small at this point, and President Bush has stated that there will be no resumption of the draft during his presidency. Still, conditions and attitudes can change very quickly another event of the magnitude of the September 11 attacks could prompt some rapid shifts in government policy and public opinion.

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    The draft will not work.......................... .............................. .............................. ......................

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06AccordLX
    The draft will not work.......................... .............................. .............................. ......................
    Tell us all why.

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    Simply because we are not dying like we did in Vietnam, there is no need, We have enough military now. Im not saying troops are not dying right now but its not like we are low on troops. I have respect for all those out there now so dont take that wrong. Also I dont think people now a days would willfully enter into the military even if they were drafted.

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    I also have my own opinions on things which I will keep to my self on this

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06AccordLX
    Also I dont think people now a days would willfully enter into the military even if they were drafted.
    Generally those who are drafted aren't there willfully.
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    He who makes the rules, has the power.
    He who has the power, has the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 213th
    Generally those who are drafted aren't there willfully.
    Yeah, But I mean physically would not go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06AccordLX
    Yeah, But I mean physically would not go.
    And if I had my way that would be treated the same as treason.
    He who has the money, signs the cheques.
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    He who makes the rules, has the power.
    He who has the power, has the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06AccordLX
    Yeah, But I mean physically would not go.
    What I hear you saying is that you will live here, reap all the free bennefits of living in this great country but if asked to defend her, you would not meet your obligations. Take take take but unwilling to give in return.

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    What about those with previous military service? Are they subject to recall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan Switek
    What I hear you saying is that you will live here, reap all the free bennefits of living in this great country but if asked to defend her, you would not meet your obligations. Take take take but unwilling to give in return.
    No dont come to assumptions. I said it would be my belief that people would not physically go, I didnt say I would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06AccordLX
    No dont come to assumptions. I said it would be my belief that people would not physically go, I didnt say I would.
    If drafted, would you serve? We await your answer.

    We just got 1 step closer.

    Iran issues stark military warning to United States

    1 hour, 57 minutes ago

    TEHRAN (AFP) -
    Iran said it could defeat any American military action over its controversial nuclear drive, in one of the Islamic regime's boldest challenges yet to the United States.
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    "You can start a war but it won't be you who finishes it," said General Yahya Rahim Safavi, the head of the Revolutionary Guards and among the regime's most powerful figures.

    "The Americans know better than anyone that their troops in the region and in
    Iraq are vulnerable. I would advise them not to commit such a strategic error," he told reporters on the sidelines of a pro-Palestinian conference in Tehran.

    The United States accuses Iran of using an atomic energy drive as a mask for weapons development. Last weekend US news reports said
    President George W. Bush's administration was refining plans for preventive strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities.

    "I would advise them to first get out of their quagmire in Iraq before getting into an even bigger one," General Safavi said with a grin.

    "We have American forces in the region under total surveillance. For the past two years, we have been ready for any scenario, whether sanctions or an attack."

    Iran announced this week it had successfully enriched uranium to make nuclear fuel, despite a UN Security Council demand for the sensitive work to be halted by April 28.

    The Islamic regime says it only wants to generate atomic energy, but enrichment can be extended to make the fissile core of a nuclear warhead -- something the United States is convinced that "axis of evil" member Iran wants to acquire.

    At a Friday prayer sermon in Tehran, senior cleric Ayatollah Ahmad Janati simply branded the US as a "decaying power" lacking the "stamina" to block Iran's ambitions.

    And hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told AFP that a US push for tough
    United Nations sanctions was of "no importance."

    "She is free to say whatever she wants," the president replied when asked to respond to comments by US Secretary of State
    Condoleezza Rice highlighting part of the UN charter that provides for sanctions backed up by the threat of military action.

    "We give no importance to her comments," he said with a broad smile.

    On Thursday, Rice said that faced with Iran's intransigence, the United States "will look at the full range of options available to the United Nations."

    "There is no doubt that Iran continues to defy the will of the international community," Rice said, after Iran also dismissed a personal appeal from the UN atomic watchdog chief Mohamed ElBaradei.

    The
    International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief must give a report at the end of April on Iranian compliance with the Security Council demand. In Tehran he said that after three years of investigations Iran's activities were "still hazy and not very clear."

    Although the United States has been prodding the council to take a tough stand against the Islamic republic, including possible sanctions, it has run into opposition from veto-wielding members Russia and China.

    Representatives of the five permanent members of the Security Council plus Germany are to meet in Moscow Tuesday to discuss the crisis.

    In seeking to deter international action, Iran has been playing up its oil wealth, its military might in strategic Gulf waters and its influence across the region -- such as in Iraq, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories.

    At the Tehran conference, Iran continued to thumb its nose at the United States and
    Israel.

    "The Zionist regime is an injustice and by its very nature a permanent threat," Ahmadinejad told the gathering of regime officials, visiting Palestinian militant leaders and foreign sympathizers.

    "Whether you like it or not, the Zionist regime is on the road to being eliminated," said Ahmadinejad, whose regime does not recognise Israel and who drew international condemnation last year when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map."

    Unfazed by his critics, the hardliner went on to repeat his controversial stance on the Holocaust.

    "If there is serious doubt over the Holocaust, there is no doubt over the catastrophe and Holocaust being faced by the Palestinians," said the president, who had previously dismissed as a "myth" the killing of an estimated six million Jews by the Nazis and their allies during World War II.

    "I tell the governments who support Zionism to ... let the migrants (Jews) return to their countries of origin. If you think you owe them something, give them some of your land," he said.

    Iran's turbaned supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, also accused the United States of seeking to place the entire region under Israeli control.

    "The plots by the American government against Iran, Iraq,
    Syria and Lebanon aimed at governing the Middle East with the control of the Zionist regime will not succeed," Khamenei said.

    There was no immediate reaction from Washington, but French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy severely condemned Ahmadinejad for his latest remarks on Israel.

    "As I have had occasion to do before, when the Iranian president made similar statements, I condemn these inacceptable remarks in the strongest possible terms," Douste-Blazy said in a statement.

    "Israel's right to exist and the reality of the Holocaust should not be disputed," he added.

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    Pm sent.

 

 
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