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  • No lectures, just give me my 150-200 something dollar citation(s).

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  • If it keeps a citation off my insurance, and keeps my money in my wallet then chew me out till you know I got the picture.

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    I think most of us have probably found ourselves pulled over on the side of the road for a traffic violation. I know I have. That experience has gone from a warning, to a ticket written, and all the way to a ticket ripped up and changed to a warning (all before I graduated college and got into Law Enforcement before the haters ask). My question to our users is this, if it came down to a violation that you sure as the world know you committed what would you rather have happen:

    A.) Give me the citation I earned.
    B.) Dress me down a bit by telling me how much of a danger I am to everyone else on the road (regardless of who is in the car with you), but no citation.

    In today's video taped, complain on an officer for anything, I'm not sorry for the violation I'm sorry for getting caught world I sometimes wonder if there is even a choice any more. With policies such as they are now for most agencies, and people so easily offended I personally don't dress people down because of these reasons. You do something boneheaded and it will cost you money. You act like a child during the stop, I will continue to act like a professional and cite you for everything I can think of while you run your mouth. If you act like a child for something minor, you will talk your way out of a warning and right into citation.

    I ask the question because of the experiences I had before I was in Law Enforcement and how they influenced my future driving habits. One instance I was stopped for speeding in my dad's vehicle (very nice). A do nothing but write tickets Trooper stopped me, got my info and scratched me out a cite. He comes back and explains everything to me about court and paying the ticket ect. When asked if I had any questions I asked what I do if I can't pay the ticket? I told him I know I'm in a nice vehicle, but it is my dad's. I was going to fast because I was excited about picking up some Alabama football tickets from one of my high school teachers (I was still in high school at the time). He takes the ticket from me and rips it up. Looks me dead in the eyes and tells me, "In that case you need to slow your ass down son. Thank your dad for not being someone that pays for your mistakes instead of letting you learn from them." Yes I remember it verbatim because it worked. That trooper would be in trouble where I work for that first part, but should he? That was more effective than any citation would have been for my driving habits. Hell I would prefer that over a $200 something citation even today.

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    I've been thinking on this a good few minutes now and still don't have a vote for your poll. The thing that keeps tripping me up is "till you know I got the picture". Two experiences of mine were polar opposites and they hinged on just that.

    In one I was chewed out, downtown, as my peers drove past, for forty minutes. In a later instance one sentence was offered alongside a county road before the officer gave me the slightest of nods to dismiss me and we went on our ways, each alone in their car aside from their thoughts. As you have attested to, the come to Jesus talk need not be comprehensive; more memorable in the brevity.

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    I've been stopped a few times over the last 20 years, and each time, paper or not, has been a positive experience. Did I deserve to be stopped each time? Oh yeah. Was the cop a dick about things? Nope. Was I a bitch about things? Nope. Embarrassed, yes. One time my daughter was in the car, and what she said turned a possible ticket into a warning. A 5 year old saying, as I'm frantically searching for my purse, "Mommy, I saw your pocketbook on the couch before we left" and me knowing my DL number likely saved my ass a ticket that day. I've also been fussed at, as passing on a hill on a double yellow isn't the safest thing in the world, no matter how slow the moron in front of you is going. I to this day don't know what saved me from paper then. Hell, one time just a couple years ago, I got pulled for no tag (had everything else, insurance, etc and had just gotten the car two days prior) and a quick trip to the DMV later the officer tore up my ticket and I took the opportunity to pimp out this site.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is if the cop in question feels I deserve paper, then I deserve it and I take it with grace and a smile, even if it's a pained smile at how much I'll have to pay. I always take a moment to thank them, too. I learn my lesson either way, but I know some people don't and need the extra kick in the wallet to get the point across.

    I guess it boils down to the fact that I don't want the officer mad at me, so whatever makes him happiest works for me.
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    I write very few tickets and it's not because I give warnings. I am usually on my way to back up another officer or go handle a call and I see all kinds of driving behavior that should be stopped. However I have bigger fish to fry so I leave and continue. If I set out to actually write a ticket and pull you over, you will be getting a ticket. Otherwise it's not worth the effort.

    Driver attitude will often determine what kind of ticket I issue. If I stop you for speeding you were going at least 15 over the limit. With a good attitude I'll write you for 9 over so you are in the lowest point bracket and have a reduced fine. Shitty attitude will get you the full speed on the ticket.

    I learned long ago it's not worth the effort to stop people and lecture. They know what they were doing and they don't need me to explain it. Their checkbook also speaks louder than I can. Then there's the hassle of being complained on for stopping people for no reason (that's the complaint they file in gratitude for net getting the ticket, they claim you didn't issue it because you only wanted to harass them or something.)

    I don't lecture and I don't waste my time stopping cars.
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    No brainer - take the ticket. Easier on the wallet for fines and insurance.

    When I was 17 I was stopped for 88 in a 70. I was driving my mother's Gran Prix (back when they were sort of luxury cars) but I was used to driving a Toyota 4w pickup. I was talking to a friend and had no idea I was going that fast. The officer asked the reason for my speed, I told him, and he talked to me about paying attention and issued me a warning ticket. His professionalism and courtesy has stayed with me to this day. I followed his form on a lot of traffic stops.

    For what it's worth, an old officer once taught me to either cite or lecture but never do both. I agree with that. A lecture on top of a cite is rubbing salt in the wound.
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    I've received verbal and written warnings, as well as tickets. Each as served their purpose and have altered my driving. If I get pulled over, I expect a ticket and if I get a warning instead I am happy but ultimatly, the best solution is to not get pulled over in the first place.
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    I believe that being willing and able to take a good chewing out is a valuable skill. It applies not only for tickets but sometimes in the workplace depending on your position. If someone percieves that you care about the reason they are angry at you, things can often go better. If they perceive that you do not care or if you deliberately escalate the encounter, things can go down hill quickly. I am not suggesting that anyone be a floormat or allow people to disrespect you, but there is a time to stand up for yourself and a time to tuck your tail between your legs and suck it up.

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    Odd, when I say give you a chewing out I sure don't mean 40 minutes worth. My example was over in less than two after the trooper walked back with the cite he ripped up. For what it is worth, I don't lecture people on stops ever. I fully understand why our policy is written the way it is, and I agree with it. I'm mainly just thinking back to a different time for law enforcement. I thought about it because I stopped a lady last week for over 25 mph over the limit. She started off by saying there was no way she was speeding, called me a liar no less than twenty times, and then called and complained because I didn't smile when I issued her the cite. Of course if I had smiled, I would be complained on for that too. What do you do? I really think that she was pissed because she was pissed and she could not get a reaction out of me. Yes lady, the camera recorded you yelling and acting like a child. It also recorded me looking a lot like the trooper that pulled over the guy in the SUV that had the guy going crazy in it. (Can't post it at work) In other words a courteous and professional officer , yet not bubbly smileling used car salesman type.

    Just me looking back when more people took more responsibilty for their actions. When if an officer gave you a break it seemed people actually looked at what they were doing and made a real effort to correct themselves. I'm not saying those people don't exist today. I meet them from time to time. It just seems they are fewer and farther between now as opposed to when I started doing this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interceptor View Post
    I believe that being willing and able to take a good chewing out is a valuable skill. It applies not only for tickets but sometimes in the workplace depending on your position. If someone percieves that you care about the reason they are angry at you, things can often go better. If they perceive that you do not care or if you deliberately escalate the encounter, things can go down hill quickly. I am not suggesting that anyone be a floormat or allow people to disrespect you, but there is a time to stand up for yourself and a time to tuck your tail between your legs and suck it up.

    This is exactly what I mean. I have had supervisors that do this, and then ask where we are eating lunch together. Get chewed, know not to do it again, strive not to disappoint the supervisor again, and we are done. It sticks with you, in a good and productive way.

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    If I'm the violator, I'd rather take the come to Jesus talk and go on my merry way without a ticket.


    In a professional capacity, I write the ticket. I write a lot of tickets compared to about 95% of my co-workers.

    My reason for writing the cite more than giving a lecture is because of my own personal experiences. When I was in high school, I had a LEAD foot. I would literally bury the needle every day on my way to town. Ricky Bobby took a page out of my life....I just wanted to go fast. No reason for it. But considering I was driving a 1996 Geo Prizm, it topped out around 85 mph. Anyway, I got stopped a couple times for speeding in 55 mph zones, and got verbal warnings. After every verbal warning I thought I got away with it, and kept on doing what I was doing.

    When I was in college I was driving home for the summer and got stopped by a trooper doing 84/70. I thought my previous years of practice would get me out of "this one" too. He came back with my ticket and my jaw dropped.

    Every since that day, I haven't been a lead foot speeder. Every now and then I'll catch myself pushing 8,9,10 mph over the limit...but I slow down when I realize it.

    The point being, the warnings I got didn't correct my behavior. The citation I got DID correct my behavior. So almost everyone I stop leaves with a ticket in hand.
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    Given the choice, I would rather have the lecture but would gracefully accept a citation. In either case, I would be completely mortified and absolutely acknowledge my error.

    In all honesty a lecture would have more of an impact on me than the citation. I still remember an incident when I was in my 20s and riding in a car with a good friend who happened to be the daughter of a relatively high ranking member of Detroit PD. My friend was speeding and we were in her dad's rather distinctive car. At a traffic light, a police officer pulled up really close to the driver's side and the officer very, um, intensely () yelled what did we think we were doing, that he'd been following us for miles and we didn't notice, that she was going almost 50, the speed limit was 35 and she'd passed 4 speed limit signs, and to slow that car down. I will never forget that.

    The only time I've ever been stopped was when I was in my early 20s, I think. I was speeding (which I readily acknowledged and apologized for) and sped right past a radar car. The officer told me I was going 16 miles over the speed limit but issued the citation for only 5 miles over. I was incredibly grateful and very embarrassed, and that incident has stuck with me all of these years. I do believe that it's had an effect on the way that I drive.




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    It's just a judgement call on if you think a lecture and/or warning will be more effective/appropriate than a ticket. Depending on the person and their mindset, either one could be very effective, and either one could be totally ineffective. But if I was a civilian, I would definitely take the lecture, and take it in stride with a good attitude.
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    I'd much prefer the lecture.

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    I have to admit that the people I'm inclined to lecture are often younger drivers. As someone who was involved in a double fatality accident at age 18, I personally know how it effects the rest of your life.
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    Hey Five-0 (I was too lazy to quote relevant passages)

    I'm with you on encounters that have been highly effective. Since that long encounter had no value at the time I cite it to draw a distinction - I can't deliver a precise, concise lecture in such a way it'd be effective. Heck, I can't tell a joke. Some people can do a lot more good with a couple sentences than a stack of ticket books can though and I hope their talent isn't being squandered.

    I believe tens of thousands of people survived their teens because of good stern roadside lectures. My numbers are almost certainly low. How we got to this point where the officer is the one expecting the lecture is another thread I suppose. All other topics put off to the side, I had an officer who took a moment and it stuck. Thank you, officer unknown.

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    I remember my first ticket and my last ticket. There were plenty of talks and citations. I do not recall any polarizing moment. But now I eat my vegetables and appreciate my parents.
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    My personal practice has been to try to be reasonable about it. "The goal of traffic enforcement is to gain voluntary compliance", as has been said many times. I'm more inclined to cite younger drivers -- since lectures generally fall on deaf ears with them. Otherwise, a lot depends on the attitude and explanation offered. Yes -- I do listen. If I warn someone, it' s a couple of minutes, not more than 15 total for the stop. The very rare occasions that get a lecture and ticket are generally the result of you doing something that could have gotten me killed... Waterworks from a younger female guarantee the ticket; they get to pay for a gal I knew in HS who got stopped 8 or 9 times, for speeding, before finally getting cited and would cry her way out of them.

    Back before I got hired? I would have appreciated a few more warnings.
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    I've been pulled over thrice, all by Troopers, and all after I got on the job. Never received a cite. The first Trooper gave me a long lecture, the second had a bad attitude, and the third said, "Get home safe. "

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    I am the lone "Give me the citation I earned" voter.

    Let me explain......If I knew I was guilty, then I deserve a ticket. Even if I didn't know but was still guilty, I still deserve the ticket.



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