Why SOME security shouldnt carry firearms.

Cheech · 04-27-06, 10:49 PM

Tell me why he had to fire his weapon? This video got me mad. How close can that kid get to a bullet?http://www.break.com/movies/robberyontape.html

FishTail · 04-27-06, 10:53 PM

Jesus! What a dipshit.

**REGEX** · 04-27-06, 10:56 PM

Was the thief shooting at him, I can not really tell.

Cheech · 04-27-06, 10:59 PM

WEll I cant say that he was at the way he slowly took his firearm out. The guy fled. So he took money, he took it personal. Stupid. Look at your surroundings before u shoot

**StanSwitek** · 04-27-06, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by 06AccordLX

Tell me why he had to fire his weapon? This video got me mad. How close can that kid get to a bullet?http://www.break.com/movies/robberyontape.html

Have they taken your gun away yet?

**PACMAN** · 04-27-06, 11:06 PM

He is an asshole...but I like the song, Will can you hook that up please?

**lepdford** · 04-28-06, 01:47 AM

Damn....Someone almost lost child out of that deal!

**Virginian** · 04-28-06, 02:28 AM

I like how he used his partner as a shield, lol

**BigBossMan** · 04-28-06, 04:13 AM

Does anyone know where that took place? I agree. What was he thinking? If he were in CA his ass would be locked up. I wonder if he missed the class that said you don't shoot someone fleeing in the back. And they wonder why security guards have a bad name.

Cheech · 04-28-06, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Stan Switek

Have they taken your gun away yet?

Why would they?

**Cochese** · 04-30-06, 07:04 AM

This has been discussed ad nauseum on other fori (ak47.net, etc)

He isn't a security guard. Just a shopkeep with a ccw. There was discussion at length there addressing the angle of the shot, etc.

I'll see if I can find it. The OP was the shooter. BG died outside. No charges to the clerk. Should be hard to pass judgement when so few facts are available from bigboys.com.

(FYI, it was an armed robbery, I would have shot the MF'er too. There is no guarantee he gets outside two steps and decides not to leave 4 witnesses and comes back. It was HIS bad decision, not the clerks.)

**121Traffic** · 04-30-06, 11:53 AM

I don't think that anyone is arguing about whether or not he was JUSTIFIED to shoot, as I'm inferring that the guy had a gun (notice how the clerks duck once the shooting starts...I'm thinking the BG let one loose), but rather SHOULD he have shot. Did you notice how close that little kid was to having her melon popped???

**Garda** · 04-30-06, 12:11 PM

This was discussed on O.com a while back, not this exact scenario but very similar to it. One of the main points for not opening fire on a robber was the risk of hitting bystanders and in this scenario that was a very genuine threat, how far away was that kid? 1 or 2 feet????

Personally I think the threat is over or not personal (ir murder, serious assault, etc) then dont take them on, cash is paper, life is life (innocent people not robber). The other concern is the fact that the clerk draws his weapon before a shot is fired, he has already drawn and aimed when the first robber shot is fired.

Credit where due though, he nailed the fucker!

**121Traffic** · 04-30-06, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Garda

This was discussed on O.com a while back, not this exact scenario but very similar to it. One of the main points for not opening fire on a robber was the risk of hitting bystanders and in this scenario that was a very genuine threat, how far away was that kid? 1 or 2 feet????

Personally I think the threat is over or not personal (ir murder, serious assault, etc) then dont take them on, cash is paper, life is life (innocent people not robber). The other concern is the fact that the clerk draws his weapon before a shot is fired, he has already drawn and aimed when the first robber shot is fired.

Credit where due though, he nailed the fucker!

I've already weighed in on why NOT to shoot, but I'll address this.

Just because a shot hasn't been fired yet does not mean the guy is not justified in shooting the BG. You have to act on what you KNOW to be true...that the guy is sticking a gun in your face. Money aside, you are well within your legal right here to smoke the guy...both as a cop or civilian. Many times robbers will hold off on shooting you long enough for you to hand over the money, then smoke you so as not to leave a witness. The psycological makeup of robbery is a violent one, and it is a fine line that one walks between robbing and murdering. It's well-documented. That's why in this day and age, robbery and homicide are (generally) investigated by the same unit within a PD, because the crimes are very close cousins.

In addition, deadly force is also authorized (in my state anyway, but I suspect it's about the same everywhere) when the offender has committed a felony with the use of a deadly weapon, and is attempting escape with the use of the weapon, and you have a reasonable belief that the offender will utilize deadly force in order to effect his escape and he must be apprehended without delay. It's pretty reasonable to believe that a guy who just pulled a gun on you AND shot at you while running WILL shoot at anyone who attempts to prevent his escape. This isn't any normal fleeing felon situation...you CAN actually shoot this guy in the back.

In short, I would agree with smoking a baddie who has a gun in my face, IF I had a clean shot. This guy didn't.

**Cochese** · 04-30-06, 07:18 PM

121, Garda,

Points well considered. Personally, I could not have justified shooting that close to the little girl, but we also don't have audio other than the cheesy music added in. We don't know what the bad guy was saying. We also don't know what the BG's actions were prior to when the camera started filming in this particular clip. I really wish I could find a particular thread, where the clerk (who is a long time post whore member of the forum) posted the video himself and defends his reasoning for the shoot. His video also has much more leading video footage..

121, I'm with you. I think he was a bit too close to the girl. That considered, in that situation, if I had a much clearer shot, I would have stopped that threat as it was running out the door.