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    Poorest place in the US, with half on food stamps and a third on medicaid

    The poorest place in the United States is not a dusty Texas border town, a hollow in Appalachia, a remote Indian reservation or a blighted urban neighborhood. It has no slums or homeless people. No one who lives there is shabbily dressed or has to go hungry. Crime is virtually nonexistent.

    And, yet, officially, at least, none of the nation’s 3,700 villages, towns or cities with more than 10,000 people has a higher proportion of its population living in poverty than Kiryas Joel, N.Y., a community of mostly garden apartments and town houses 50 miles northwest of New York City in suburban Orange County.

    About 70 percent of the village’s 21,000 residents live in households whose income falls below the federal poverty threshold, according to the Census Bureau. Median family income ($17,929) and per capita income ($4,494) rank lower than any other comparable place in the country. Nearly half of the village’s households reported less than $15,000 in annual income.

    About half of the residents receive food stamps, and one-third receive Medicaid benefits and rely on federal vouchers to help pay their housing costs.

    Kiryas Joel’s unlikely ranking results largely from religious and cultural factors. Ultra-Orthodox Satmar Hasidic Jews predominate in the village; many of them moved there from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, beginning in the 1970s to accommodate a population that was growing geometrically.

    Women marry young, remain in the village to raise their families and, according to religious strictures, do not use birth control. As a result, the median age (under 12) is the lowest in the country and the household size (nearly six) is the highest. Mothers rarely work outside the home while their children are young.

    Most residents, raised as Yiddish speakers, do not speak much English. And most men devote themselves to Torah and Talmud studies rather than academic training — only 39 percent of the residents are high school graduates, and less than 5 percent have a bachelor’s degree. Several hundred adults study full time at religious institutions.

    Read the whole article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/ny...pagewanted=all
    I'm curious how crime and law enforcement is affected by this. It doesn't strike as the violent ghetto type place, but I wonder if the poverty spawns the kind of alcohol and drug use you see frequently in poorer communities?
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    Its amazing that this place and others across the US are similar yet the crime there is almost non-existent. So poverty is just an excuse?
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    If it ain't working where you are, investigate opportunities elsewhere. It's what I had to do and found it only 80 miles from where I was raised. It may not work in every case but it did in mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lewisipso View Post
    If it ain't working where you are, investigate opportunities elsewhere. It's what I had to do and found it only 80 miles from where I was raised. It may not work in every case but it did in mine.
    Amen to that! If it's not working out, go where you can make it!
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    While I appreciate the fact that they are not committing crimes, I do not appreciate my tax dollars going to those who want to stay home and read all day -- be it Bibles, Torah, or comic books. Not acceptable. If they want to do that via private donation -- fine -- but not public assistance.
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    Women marry young, remain in the village to raise their families and, according to religious strictures, do not use birth control. As a result, the median age (under 12) is the lowest in the country and the household size (nearly six) is the highest.
    I have a problem subsidizing this behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLean View Post
    I have a problem subsidizing this behavior.
    That too, absolutely.
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    I don't think the point of the post is to condone living on the public's dollars. Rather it is to show that poverty is no excuse for crime, bad living conditions, etc. All-in-all, I'd rather have a bunch of unemployed Torah reading, God-fearing, Orthadox Jews in my neighborhood than I would a bunch of X-Box playing, TV watching goons!
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    Quote Originally Posted by keith720 View Post
    I don't think the point of the post is to condone living on the public's dollars. Rather it is to show that poverty is no excuse for crime, bad living conditions, etc. All-in-all, I'd rather have a bunch of unemployed Torah reading, God-fearing, Orthadox Jews in my neighborhood than I would a bunch of X-Box playing, TV watching goons!
    I don't think anyone would disagree with you, there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keith720 View Post
    I don't think the point of the post is to condone living on the public's dollars. Rather it is to show that poverty is no excuse for crime, bad living conditions, etc. All-in-all, I'd rather have a bunch of unemployed Torah reading, God-fearing, Orthadox Jews in my neighborhood than I would a bunch of X-Box playing, TV watching goons!
    I'd rather not pay for either of them. They're both failures in birth control.
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