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    What do you think of having church attendance be an alternative to jail time or fine for misdemeanors?

    Starting this week, under a new program called Operation ROC (Restore Our Community), local judges in Bay Minette, Alabama, will give those found guilty of misdemeanors the choice of serving out their time in jail, paying a fine or attending church each Sunday for a year.
    More here: Jesus or jail? Alabama town offers options for serving time This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

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    Send them to jail , that's where most criminals say they found Jesus anyway.
    They usually lose him when they get back on the streets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lewisipso View Post
    I can make someone go to jail. I can't make someone go to God.
    Tried to "muli quote" lew and the Capt. suffice it to say plus 1 to both.You would probably have to cuff and drag them there every Sunday.Besides that ,every jail I know has preachers giving services in jail every Sunday and sometimes Wednesday.DONT DO NO GOOD...

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    The thousand that just sit in the pews and fake like they're getting something out of it will ruin it for the 1 or 2 who actually benefit.
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    I'm against forcing anyone to go to church. Also, last time I checked, they have services available in the jail.
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    Ignoring any other aspects, which others have mentioned, there seems to be a bit of a problem with the First Amendment here to me.

    That, or we'll soon see the First Church of Dismas open up, pastored by an enterprising crook ducking out of the church obligation, with very little but checking in for the "service."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Send them to jail , that's where most criminals say they found Jesus anyway.
    They usually lose him when they get back on the streets.
    Quote Originally Posted by lewisipso View Post
    I can make someone go to jail. I can't make someone go to God.
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    The thousand that just sit in the pews and fake like they're getting something out of it will ruin it for the 1 or 2 who actually benefit.
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    I'm against forcing anyone to go to church. Also, last time I checked, they have services available in the jail.
    As the newby, I go along with these folks. While religion appears to solve some problems during incarceration, on the street I think it is just another angle to play the system. I do not give any special consideration to those who play the religion card, but I do listen for inconsistencies.

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    Are they doing this to free up jail space? Then again some might prefer going to jail. Either way, I hate it.

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    Terrible idea.

    As it's been said, they offer religious services in jail (our jail offers a sunday service, and some bible studies during the week), and those who attend the services in jail do it just to get out of their cells. They don't keep attending once they're out.


    What a stupid idea.
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    As PC as everything is now days, what will they do with a satan worshipper? Let them go to their "church"? What about an atheist? Make them sit in a blank room for an hour each Sunday? Rastas? Agnostics? Seems pretty problematic to me.
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    Isn't there supposed to be separation between church and state? I say, keep it that way! If they haven't found God before there offense, then let jail time give them the opportunity to do it.....

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    Not a separation of church and state issue. I hate it, but not the issue. What religion is the state establishing here?

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    They can find religion behind bars...There is a bible in the library, and a preacher who shows up on Sundays

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cidp24 View Post
    What about an atheist? Make them sit in a blank room for an hour each Sunday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Five-0 View Post
    Not a separation of church and state issue. I hate it, but not the issue. What religion is the state establishing here?
    They're favoring religion over atheism, and Christianity over other religions, since by chance there are no non-Christian churches there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jks9199 View Post
    They're favoring religion over atheism, and Christianity over other religions, since by chance there are no non-Christian churches there.

    How are they favoring Christianity over other religions?

    "local judges in Bay Minette, Alabama, will give those found guilty of misdemeanors the choice of serving out their time in jail, paying a fine or attending church each Sunday for a year."


    Three choices and only one is a religious service. The way to attack this is equal protection under the law. What if one errr inmate's, convict's, probationer's, or whatever they are going to call these people....what if one person's church lasts longer than another person's service. Who oversees this to make sure people are arriving on time and who's not. There is no establishment of anything here but stupidity because this was not thought through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Five-0 View Post
    There is no establishment of anything here but stupidity because this was not thought through.
    Excatly. I would be extremely surprised if there are any muslim, athiest groups, hindu, etc.. churches there. If I'm convicted of a mis., and I'm muslim, how would they handle it? It's a "feel good" type of law, but with no follow through.

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    Jail time would give them the choice to attend services, or not. Jail is a consequence likely to better grab their attention, church of whatever franchise to heaven the sky-pilot represents is not likely to have the effect. Humans respond to loss of liberty and pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyme View Post
    Excatly. I would be extremely surprised if there are any muslim, athiest groups, hindu, etc.. churches there. If I'm convicted of a mis., and I'm muslim, how would they handle it? It's a "feel good" type of law, but with no follow through.

    I looked. If there are any they are not advertising it on the net.

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