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    Bit of help

    Hi,

    I'm new to the site so just a quick hello to my colleagues in the US.

    I am trying to pull together some research around private security that is linked to police forces. In the UK we don’t have anything to do with security, and only have local wardens that are not paid for by private firms. I know your system is different in the US and I was wondering if for example, a force could employ security officers and sell the service to the private sector? If anyone could suggest someone I could talk to I would be really grateful.

    I look forward to being a regular on here and will be happy to answer any questions about UK policing that you care to ask. I think I am equivalent to a Captain in your rank structure... Not sure.

    Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by UK Rob View Post
    I look forward to being a regular on here and will be happy to answer any questions about UK policing that you care to ask. I think I am equivalent to a Captain in your rank structure... Not sure.

    Rob
    Send your info to Pudge and we will get you set up. We have a few UK LEOs on here. Follow the instruction in this link:

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    As far as security, several guys on here probably work security as an off duty job. Here in the U.S. that usually means working in your uniform in a LE capacity, but you are paid by a private business to basically police their property.

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    The Police in Horry County can work security off duty if the requesting party pays a per-hour rate to the Department. The Department keeps some of the money to offset vehicle costs and the remaining monies are paid to the officer .

    The Sheriff's Office here does not keep any of the collected funds and gives it all to the deputy who is working the detail. As a matter of policy, ALL security details must be approved by the Departments and is done off regular work hours. Also, we can work with another LE agency as added manpower if the requesting agency puts a request in for the manpower to the department. In essence, we cant work security on our own, the details are assigned to the officers thru channels.
    If this answers your question?
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    Will do, will check out the link and fill out all my details...

    Thanks guys for your replies. I'm just looking at options for expanding the service and seeing if the force can gain some revenue in the process. Not sure there are any legal issues here (so far) but want to pull a paper together as an option to possibly consider.. Same as you we are under the cosh financially...

    Rob

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    I know re-employ those given the boot under A19!

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    Yes I can imagine.. A19 may mean you were in WMP as they were brutal with thier use of the reg.. some are yet to inpose it.. but with the advent of external contracts for support staff and the need to cut budgets by up to 20% because of our friend Mr Windsor, bad times ahead.. Oh. and I missed my CRTP by four days...

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    What rank are you then, Bob? Sounds a bit like you are trying to help shit on the troops. So I'd guess Ch. Insp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trojan 42 View Post
    What rank are you then, Bob? Sounds a bit like you are trying to help shit on the troops. So I'd guess Ch. Insp.
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    It varies here depending on the state.

    In my experience, in the South officers are poorly paid so they turn to outside employment to make ends meet. Departments tolerate it because they know they won't pay more and the cop has to make ends meet somewhere.

    At my old department we had two types of extra jobs. A business or organization (including the city) could contract with the department at an established rate to provide off duty officers. They would pay the department and the officers would see the money in their regular pay check. This was what we often did for parades, concerts, festivals etc.

    They could also negotiate with an officer to hire him as an employee to provide police protection. It had to get approved with the department. The officer is paid directly by the employer. This is what I did. I was employed, among others at my agency, with Marriott Hotels. There were two hotels on adjoining property and we would spend the overnight in the lobby with the night auditor. We did roving patrols on the properties and parking lots. I was a Marriott employee and got paid by them. I was in uniform and could exercise my powers and authority while working. I even got Marriott employee discounts staying at their hotels while travelling.

    We had an officer on an off duty job providing security for a car dealership. A felony assault occurred nearby and he located the suspects. While taking them into custody he was brutally attacked and paralyzed. The agency considered him "on duty" the moment he attempted to exercise his police powers and the incident was on duty related and covered by workers compensation.

    The state I'm at now, this type of side employment is unheard of and a big no-no. But we're paid well with lots of overtime available just working. So it all depends on where you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tango Zulu 22 View Post
    That made me smile!
    The name under your avatar made me smile too. Reminds me of when I retired and me and my wife were looking for a house in the West country. There was an ex police station for sale in our price range, I wanted to buy it and call it ''Dunnicking''. My wife said no.
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