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Thread: Prosecutors portray Zimmerman as vigilante who profiled Martin before killing him

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    Prosecutors portray Zimmerman as vigilante who profiled Martin before killing him

    Using George Zimmerman’s own words, prosecutors on Monday opened the case against him by portraying Mr. Zimmerman as a gun-toting vigilante who “profiled” Trayvon Martin as someone who was “up to no good” and, with a gun in his waistband, set out to stop him.
    In an opening statement that was heavy on emotion, Mr. Guy painted a picture of Mr. Zimmerman as a vigilante eager to play the role of police officer. Rather than stay in his car, Mr. Zimmerman, who was on the phone with a police dispatcher, chose to pursue Mr. Martin, his gun at the ready, said Mr. Guy, who spoke for a little over 30 minutes.
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    Had he just stayed in his car this headline would not exist.
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    Assuming that the article was not updated, which has happened before, I'm a little surprised at what I perceive as a bias towards the prosecution in this thread. The article is titled "Clash of Styles in Court Opens Trial in Trayvon Martin’s Death". Jenna focuses on "Prosecutors portray Zimmerman as vigilante who profiled Martin before killing him", and leaves it to the rest of us to find out what the other half of the story is.

    But the defense, choosing evidence over passion in its opening statement, chipped away at the prosecution’s narrative. After a halting start, Don West, one of Mr. Zimmerman’s lawyers, plunged into a chronological account, heavy on maps and audio recordings, that sought to paint his client as a level-headed man who shot Mr. Martin, not out of malice, but out of fear for his life.

    “Trayvon Martin armed himself with the concrete sidewalk and used it to smash George Zimmerman’s head; it’s no different than if he picked up a brick or bashed it against a wall,” Mr. West said, “and the law is very specific as to when you can defend yourself if the other person has a deadly weapon.”
    Lew, I believe you are right in that if Zimmerman never got out of his car there would be much lower chance of a homicide or this news article existing. Nevertheless it is not unlawful for a citizen to continue to observe a suspicious person in his neighborhood, nor does that prove who was the aggressor in any physical altercation, so that fact is circumstantial at best. How many times have police officers (or civilians) on this website alone followed a suspect prior to developing probable cause?

    The jury will have to rely heavily on audio and physical evidence to determine if this was murder or self defense, and I am interested to see how this trial plays out. If nothing else this will go down in history as another media circus.
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    Agreed. I will defer to the jury for wrong or right, legal or illegal. I just have the view that he could have handled the situation much different than he did. I stand by, with the information I have found available, that had he followed me and made me feel threatened in any way they would still be trying to remove his gun from his ass or the headline would have read a bit different.
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    Regardless of anything this if a tragic loss of life and it should have not happened
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    Welcome to the site RossySobles. Thanks for your thread input. Please head over to the introduction thread and tell us a little bit about yourself.
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    Lew not only makes world famous coffee, but he picks up on things the rest of us miss. Welcome Rossy, I look forward to your intro post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewisipso View Post
    Agreed. I will defer to the jury for wrong or right, legal or illegal. I just have the view that he could have handled the situation much different than he did. I stand by, with the information I have found available, that had he followed me and made me feel threatened in any way they would still be trying to remove his gun from his ass or the headline would have read a bit different.
    I'm with Lew. I haven't seen nearly enough evidence to have a firm feeling one way or the other -- but I think that had Zimmerman kept to the concept of "observe & report" rather than being pretty proactive, nobody would have died. The trial will, hopefully & ideally, show us the truth...
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    It's enough for me that he was justified and not prosecuted until the media got involved to stir the pot and the usual race baiters jumped in. This is a railroad job for a dog and pony show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphos View Post
    It's enough for me that he was justified and not prosecuted until the media got involved to stir the pot and the usual race baiters jumped in. This is a railroad job for a dog and pony show.

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    I don't disagree. This is a politically driven, publicity motivated show, not an example of justice being sought. I think there is a very good case for justification, and I suspect that it's unlikely that Zimmerman will be convicted here.

    Except that it's not really about justice -- it's about the show. And I won't be one bit surprised when, if he's acquitted, they come after him in some federal fashion. I recall something about the Justice Department pretty much threatening to step in and inflict their vision of justice on this if Zimmerman wasn't charged.
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    I predict that he will be found not guilty, there will be riots in the streets, and Xiphos will be stuck dealing with him because he will have to move to AK to avoid being captured by a lynch mob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jks9199 View Post
    I don't disagree. This is a politically driven, publicity motivated show, not an example of justice being sought. I think there is a very good case for justification, and I suspect that it's unlikely that Zimmerman will be convicted here.

    Except that it's not really about justice -- it's about the show. And I won't be one bit surprised when, if he's acquitted, they come after him in some federal fashion. I recall something about the Justice Department pretty much threatening to step in and inflict their vision of justice on this if Zimmerman wasn't charged.
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    What's hilarious is that they're trying to paint the incident as racially motivated on Zimmerman's part, using testimony about MARTIN'S racial comments.

    SANFORD, Fla. (AP) - A friend of Trayvon Martin's who was on the phone with him shortly before his fatal fight with George Zimmerman testified Thursday that she thought the encounter was racially charged.

    Rachel Jeantel testified for the second day in a row, saying she thought race was an issue because Martin told her he was being followed by a white man.
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    She testified that Martin described the man following him as "a creepy-ass cracker"
    Can you imagine if Zimmerman had been on tape calling Martin "a creepy ass n*****" or even some other less offensive epithet? They would want Zimmerman's head. So Zimmerman's the racist, even though Martin was the one using racial slurs? Good Christ, I'm losing more and more hope for this country.

    Friend: Trayvon Martin encounter racially charged | 9news.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by RossySobles View Post
    Regardless of anything this if a tragic loss of life and it should have not happened
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