batons

**General Patten** · 06-20-06, 03:00 AM

Just a few questions here:

what are your thoughts on various brands of batons? (ASP, Monadnock, etc)

Has anyone tried the newer locking mechanism with the push-button release? If so, what do you think of it?

Any thoughts on the different available tips? (power-tip, rubber tip, etc)

**CountyFourteen** · 06-20-06, 03:07 AM

the button release always worked well for me...easy to use

**Pedro56** · 06-20-06, 07:44 AM

I have my Asp no push button thing and I still keep my old wooden one in my car.

FishTail · 06-20-06, 10:55 AM

Monadnock Autolock 22 works for me.

**gsp241** · 06-20-06, 03:01 PM

We issue the Monadnock. You don't have to beat it on the ground to get it put back up. The only problem I've seen so far is some of the batons will not lock open if opened with a lot of force.

**General Patten** · 06-20-06, 03:16 PM

im thinking of getting a Monadnock Autolock ...26" I think, with the Powertip

hmm... ill have to remember to not open it too hard... the friction-lock POS I have now is kinda stubborn, so it takes some force...

It'll be nice not having to take it outside and pound it on the cement to get it closed...

FishTail · 06-20-06, 03:24 PM

I'm lost as to why you have a baton. Is it even legal to carry it in your state?

**General Patten** · 06-20-06, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by LongTail

I'm lost as to why you have a baton. Is it even legal to carry it in your state?

I believe so... I havent yet found where its been outlawed here...

Theres a few reasons why I have one:

*Just in case... (its cheaper than a new, smaller pistol and CCW permit)

*Extra practice... its actually kinda fun, too...

lol

*And mainly, I was just curious to see how much abuse it could take before breaking... not as much as I expected... (Another reason I want a Monadnock.... Lifetime Warranty... fixing this thing was a royal pain in the ass)

**Virginian** · 06-20-06, 03:44 PM

How do you practice? Beat on trees?

**General Patten** · 06-20-06, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Virginian

How do you practice? Beat on trees?

no, that would hurt the tree. I use a big punching/kicking bag

FishTail · 06-20-06, 03:54 PM

Well, I don't know your state's definition of "dangerous weapon" but you might like to be careful of this:

MI Penal Code, 750.227

(1) A person shall not carry a dagger, dirk, stiletto, a double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, concealed on or about his or her person, or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business or on other land possessed by the person.

(2) A person shall not carry a pistol concealed on or about his or her person, or, whether concealed or otherwise, in a vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, without a license to carry the pistol as provided by law and if licensed, shall not carry the pistol in a place or manner inconsistent with any restrictions upon such license.

(3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or by a fine of not more than $2,500.00.

**General Patten** · 06-20-06, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by LongTail

Well, I don't know your state's definition of "dangerous weapon" but you might like to be careful of this:

MI Penal Code, 750.227

(1) A person shall not carry a dagger, dirk, stiletto, a double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, concealed on or about his or her person, or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business or on other land possessed by the person.

(2) A person shall not carry a pistol concealed on or about his or her person, or, whether concealed or otherwise, in a vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, without a license to carry the pistol as provided by law and if licensed, shall not carry the pistol in a place or manner inconsistent with any restrictions upon such license.

(3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or by a fine of not more than $2,500.00.

yea, it'd be nice if theyd define "dangerous weapon" more clearly... it looks like theyre referring to weapons that cannot be used without stabbing/slashing the assailant or causing other serious injury... but who knows?

FishTail · 06-20-06, 04:05 PM

It depends on whether "dangerous weapon" is to be interpreted ejusdem generis or not.

**General Patten** · 06-20-06, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by LongTail

It depends on whether "dangerous weapon" is to be interpreted ejusdem generis or not.

...ejusdem generis... honestly, I have no idea what that means... LOL

**Autumn2009** · 06-20-06, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by General Patten

...ejusdem generis... honestly, I have no idea what that means... LOL

Latin for "of the same kind," used to interpret loosely written statutes. Where a law lists specific classes of persons or things and then refers to them in general, the general statements only apply to the same kind of persons or things specifically listed.

Latin sucks!

**General Patten** · 06-20-06, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Post#83Chief

Latin for "of the same kind," used to interpret loosely written statutes. Where a law lists specific classes of persons or things and then refers to them in general, the general statements only apply to the same kind of persons or things specifically listed.

Latin sucks!

so by definition... would it, in this case, apply only to bladed/stabbing weapons?

**Autumn2009** · 06-20-06, 04:28 PM

From what I remember I had an explorer ask an officer once if he could carry a baton ,and he said if it wasn't concealed on his person or in his vehicle but was obvious. It was ok. He would take it rabbit hunting, to finish the deed. Sigh, some people's kids.

**Autumn2009** · 06-20-06, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by General Patten

so by definition... would it, in this case, apply only to bladed/stabbing weapons?

What I think Lt. was getting at by bringing that up, was that the statue could be interpretated in various ways, and that it was something to be careful of.

**jmur5074** · 06-20-06, 05:04 PM

Hey, I have a simple solution to this entire problem.

If your not a cop, don't carry a baton because it's illegal in your state and you will go to jail.

Your welcome.