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    Stupid citizens arrest

    Heard this happened a few days ago, I knew the crusties were talking about doing it but cant believe they were stupid enough to do it.

    An anti US-Iraq protestor arrested 4 US soldiers that were staying at a hotel near the airport because their plane has technical problems. Called the local station and requested a Garda attend. The Garda attended and released the soldiers stating they had commited no crime.

    No I can say now that they were commiting a crime, only Irish military personael are allowed wear their uniforms in public however its a summery (misdemeanor) offence and does not fall within the rules of citizens arrest. The rules are A, has to be an arrestable (felony) offence. B, Be necessary to prevent the loss or damage to life and/or property or there must be a genuine fear they would evade detection and C, the civilian must have seen the offence.

    4 soldiers in a hotel waiting for a plane, someone, anyone think this qualifies?

    I would have told the soldiers to go change if they wanted to sitesee but would also have advised that they make a formal complaint and prosecuted the idiot for unlawful detention and defemation of character.
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    What a jackass. Surprised the soldiers didn't stomp him.

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    Hey, it is nice to see that my town doesn't have all the worlds assholes.
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    So it is against the law for United States Military personnel (or any country's for that matter) to wear their uniforms in public in your country? Even though most personnel in uniform are being mandated (per SOP, Plan of the Day, etc) to wear it?

    I guess I just don't understand the reasoning behind it.
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    Thank the Garda for using some discretion on that one! I bet the soldiers are still too busy laughing about that freak to prosecute him
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    Wow...he'd have some explaining to do to me if he did that here.

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    i served in the military overseas. alot of countries forbid wearing the uniform of another country in public unless u are on official military buisness. with all the shit going around unless ure in the u.s. or ure own country i think its a bad idea to wear it anywhere else in public. makes u a nice target for terrorists
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    Quote Originally Posted by 121Traffic
    So it is against the law for United States Military personnel (or any country's for that matter) to wear their uniforms in public in your country? Even though most personnel in uniform are being mandated (per SOP, Plan of the Day, etc) to wear it?

    I guess I just don't understand the reasoning behind it.
    Your a foreign military force on Irish (neutral) soil. Why would you be allowed wear your uniform in public?

    And SOP etc doesnt wash, the US military cannot over rule our laws when it suits + you arent supposed to leave the airport, your not stamped to be in Ireland, its a stop-over only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conalabu
    Hey, it is nice to see that my town doesn't have all the worlds assholes.
    Just the biggest one

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    I wonder if he was also a pool bouncer for an HOA?

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    Hey Garda,
    Stupid question reference stupid citizen arrest; what would have happened if the idiot had got stomped by the GIís?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 1sgkelly
    Hey Garda,
    Stupid question reference stupid citizen arrest; what would have happened if the idiot had got stomped by the GIís?


    Diplomatic mess is the short answer.

    From a legal view, they were falsely detained so could use force to stop that detention but then they too would also face the original charge + 2/3 marines against a hippie would not look like 'reasonable force' in court.

    Add to that the anti-us PR that it would get overall they did the smart thing
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    How did one guy detain them anyhow? Couldn't have been physically, I would assume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garda
    Diplomatic mess is the short answer.

    From a legal view, they were falsely detained so could use force to stop that detention but then they too would also face the original charge + 2/3 marines against a hippie would not look like 'reasonable force' in court.

    Add to that the anti-us PR that it would get overall they did the smart thing
    Thanks.

    One more; what about a cop in uniform, with out gun of course?

    Thinking of the Saint Patricks day parade or something like that.

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    I stopped at Shannon Ireland several times on my trips overseas. We were confined to the shops, main area of the airport. On my way back from Kosovo, we were allowed to go to the front of the airport, but not leave the actual area itself.

    Its my personal opinion that the soldiers should be admonished. As a prior soldier for 7 years, it was made very clear to those that I served under and later underneath me, that there are people that dont like us. Wearing the uniform makes us a huge target, I dont see why they were 1) allowed to wear it or 2)they didnt have enough common sense to change into civilian clothes.

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    When I was in the UK on business right before the war and visited Ireland & Scotland, they didn't seem to be "hotspots", but yeah it only takes one angry person and now there are many angry people.

    I wonder how the IRA feels toward Americans? I never thought to ask
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    The IRA loves Americans because they get so much money from Irish-Americans. The fact that these guys are funding terrorists and at the same time bitching about Al Quaeda is beyond them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongTail
    The IRA loves Americans because they get so much money from Irish-Americans. The fact that these guys are funding terrorists and at the same time bitching about Al Quaeda is beyond them.
    I can vouch for that, I knew a guy who used to send them money

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    Military SOP states you must wear atleast your Utilities or BDU's while traveling on a Military Aircraft. If these guys had a mechanical malfunction and had to land and await repairs most likely they did not have Civies with them for the transit and had nothing else to change into.

    None the less I'm surprised they didn't stomp a mud hole in the assclown that tried to arrest them.

    It says they where staying at a hotel. I am assuming near or at the airport and where most likely in the resturant getting a bite to eat or spending some money in the hotels gift shop when this clown pulled this.

    I tell you I would have laid him out and went about my shopping!
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    I think your supposed to ask permission from both our dept of foreign affairs/Garda commissioner and your own force but I dont think thats looked upon as seriously. The reason for the uniform is very different and it wouldnt provoke such a strong feeling as a military one. NYFD were at the last Paddy's day here.

    And yeah, The IRA love everyone except English people. Doesnt matter what you do in your own country as long as you provide cash/guns. They whored themselves in the US for years, also in Libya and even to the Germans during WW2.

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    I doubt he used force, hippies are not renowned for that and this poor fool probable figured they would fall under his 'powerful gesture' of stating they were under arrest. Plus they might have thought he was a detective initially, I dont know.

    Guys, beating him would have been such a bad move. It would gain support against the US, force a diplomatic problem, force the Gardai to arrest the soldiers and probable result in Shannon being taken back as a stopover. They were smart enough to realise the best answer to the problem. It would have caused problems both sides could do without and damage what is a good relationship between the 2 nations.
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