What are your thoughts

**BEK** · 08-09-06, 03:01 PM

Watch this video and state your thoughts on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baix0Xa9x3o

**conalabu** · 08-09-06, 03:17 PM

Are you serious?

I am messing with ya, BEK. I am not sure the father of the perp is going to have anything to stand on in court. Seems pretty sut and dry to me. Trooper is out on his own, not really getting much cooperation, perp jumps him, fires one shot (obvious intent), struggling, shoots perp. Not much to argue on that one.

**Andrewtx** · 08-09-06, 03:17 PM

I'd like to watch the video without the editing and narration; it's difficult to make out what's happening and the audio could be revealing without being talked over.

Assuming they found the guy's gun on the scene, seems totally justified to me. A guy with a gun is resisting arrest and the trooper is clearly struggling to get him under control, seems to me that it adds up to a very real threat against the trooper's life. Because of the editing I really couldn't make out the first gunshot, but regardless..he had a gun and was furtive when about to be searched.

**gozling** · 08-09-06, 04:15 PM

this may be a really dumb question and if it is.. I am sorry...

i work for the county... I guess because we are a squad we always are taking our traffic stops and within a min or so at least one of us drives by.. either on the way to another call or on a delay ect...
i know that i do this for some of the city guys that are in our area and it seems that we just are not alone on traffic stops at all....
is shp different? do they always take traffic alone because of manpower or something? I feel so bad for that officer being alone and having to struggle for his life like that.. thank god he is ok!

it all happened so fast.. this guy was so nervous from the get go... geesh...

totally justified... i dont care who said what.. you have a gun you tell me and we deal with it like adults... if not... that is on you (well him)
shame really...

**TheOldRhino** · 08-09-06, 07:13 PM

I agree with the dirtbag's dad- the dirtbag didn't have to die. He could have not tried to kill a police officer and he'd be alive to this day.

If I was that cop I'd counter-sue the parents for giving birth to the scumbag POS oxygen-thief to begin with.

I think the Trooper did it and lived, so he did it right.

**slamdunc** · 08-09-06, 08:13 PM

Bad guy has gun, tries to kill trooper (who is doing his job). Trooper lets air out of bad guy. Father is sad, he calls a lawyer; Lawyer sees dollar signs from a nuisance lawsuit.
State will probably settle out of court, to avoid trial.
Moral: If you want to make money off your kid, send him to lawschool or don't raise him worth a shit.

**TXCharlie** · 08-09-06, 08:30 PM

The only thing that concerns me slightly is that the video makes it look like the trooper drew his gun rather casually.

I'm not sure what to make of that, but I suspect it's because the film was in slow-motion, which it was in the scene before that. So I'm with Andrew - No aldulteration of the video!!!

EDIT - Yep, slow motion - Look at the flashing light. Justified!!!

**bufford408** · 08-09-06, 10:23 PM

Looks to me like the Trooper was either getting tired or felt as if he was not going to be able to control the POS who had already fired a shot. Send him to hell and let the devil sort it out.

**Crimebytes2** · 08-09-06, 10:26 PM

The old man should just keep his

mouth shut, and leave it alone.

**bufford408** · 08-09-06, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Crimebytes2

The old man should just keep his

mouth shut, and leave it alone.

I agree. I don't know how I would feel. I guess maybe he is just wanting to blame someone.

**Hannibal** · 08-10-06, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by Crimebytes2

The old man should just keep his

mouth shut, and leave it alone.

The old man is obviously upset over the loss of his son and I can appreciate the whole family loss thing, etc. It's sad it had to come to that. I'm sure the officer was less than thrilled about having to put down some dirtbag on the side of a road, and now he has to deal with this BS lawsuit? C'mon... this is a no brainer.

Punk w/ a gun, fights w/ cop, fires gun at cop during struggle.... the only question that needs to be asked here is, "Officer, how many bullets do you need to top off that shooter and get back on the road?"

The old man will undoubtedly get something from this though. How come I never hear about the families of slain officers suing the shitheads and the families who raised shitheads who shoot at cops?

**Crimebytes2** · 08-10-06, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by bufford408

I agree. I don't know how I would feel. I guess maybe he is just wanting to blame someone.

Yeah, well, he's blaming the wrong individual. Instead of blaming the Trooper, he should be blaming his son. He may not care what the video shows, but, like it or not, the video tells the story. His 26 year old son acted irresponsible and it cost him his life... end of story.

**THE LAW** · 08-10-06, 01:31 AM

me and who i work with sometimes stay fairly close to each other withing 10-15 miles but most of the time you are on your on.

**Crimebytes2** · 08-10-06, 01:56 AM

Guys ~

I can see how my posts regarding this unfortunate incident would have you believe I'm cold hearted. This is not the case at all. While I'm a mother myself, and couldn't bear the thought of losing one of my children, I'm also one who tries never to look at life through rose colored glasses. In other words, I see the picture for what it is, and I call it how I see it. While I would like to think this father is truly grieving over the loss of his son, it's hard to say. Or is it?

This is the problem I'm having. While the video clearly shows what happened, the father denies the truth; instead, justifying the actions of his 26 year old son. I base this solely on the fact that, according to the narrator, he doesn't care what the video shows. Excuse me? What does this say regarding HIS character? No doubt, the decision to shoot was not a spur of the moment thing since, according to the narrator, the struggle continued for several minutes. I agree with bufford... the Trooper was either getting tired or felt he was losing control of the situation; otherwise, he would never have let it go on for as long as he did. Then, again, I wasn't there so who knows? I simply call it how I see it. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it, but I will make no apologies.

The truth is this 26 year old man was in the wrong. Had he simply acted like a responsible adult, he would most likely be alive today. For what it's worth, I'm sorry his life was cut so short. As I mentioned earlier, I'm a mother. I'm also a parent. As parents we must let our adult children take responsibility for their actions. To sue in this case is wrong, and I have no respect for this father whatsoever.

**TheOldRhino** · 08-10-06, 02:53 AM

CB2 is absolutely right. It's a growing trend that continues to get worse among parents- it's the lack of acknowledgement of parental responsibility. The dad of this dirtbag can't bear the thought that his POS son might actually be due to his upbringing. If he acknowledges that, then he'd acknowledge he's a bad parent.

However, it's not just the parent's fault every time (just most of the time, IMO). Personally, I don't think my parents did that great of a job bringing me up, but I turned out okay (relatively speaking) in spite of it. So, theoretically, the opposite could be true.

But the overall point is- in any police deadly force situation, the bad guy dictates the outcome by his actions. Period. If he hadn't fought with the cop, he wouldn't have gotten killed. And yes, dad, it is just that simple.

We live in such a litigious society that it's almost always a guarentee that when you kill or seriously injure a bad guy, no matter what the circumstances, you're going to get sued. No matter what.

**Trojan 42** · 08-10-06, 03:57 AM

I feel sorry for the Trooper! Do you know how hard it is to get blood out of your Uniform?

**snuffy2202** · 08-10-06, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by 60259

The old man will undoubtedly get something from this though. How come I never hear about the families of slain officers suing the shitheads and the families who raised shitheads who shoot at cops?

AMEN! We are all sick and tired of these scumbags' parents profiting over the inevitable death of their POS sons!

**TXCharlie** · 08-10-06, 11:26 AM

Cities should fight groundless lawsuits like this instead of settling - Settling lawsuits out of court is why Police Departments have liabiality paranoia.

As a volunteer, I think liabiality paranoia sucks. Volunteers are treated like felons.

CopsRCool302 · 08-10-06, 12:39 PM

My Heart goes out to the Officer, it's not easy to take a life, But this whole thing could have turned around, and we would be mourning a death of a police Officer instead.

that ass had killing on his mind when he fired that gun, it makes me sick that parents think they can make a buck off of crap like this.. VIDEO NEVER LIES!

The Officer done his job, I feel for Him and his family...

stay safe

**Coloradocop** · 08-16-06, 04:46 AM

Another BS lawsuit. Fortunately the Trooper is okay, we've all watched too many videos with far different outcomes (the kind of outcome I was initially expecting this video to have as well).

This one looks about as cut and dry as possible. I can't see any reason that the suspect's family would have any chance of winning this suit (of course, these days you never know... it has certainly happened around here to good officers who made reasonable decisions when faced with extraordinary events).