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    Islam 101 for Jenna

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    Michael Coren, National Post
    Published: Friday, November 03, 2006


    Dr. Tawfik Hamid doesn't tell people where he lives. Not the street, not the city, not even the country. It's safer that way. It's only the letters of testimony from some of the highest intelligence officers in the Western world that enable him to move freely. This medical doctor, author and activist once was a member of Egypt's Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Arabic for "the Islamic Group"), a banned terrorist organization. He was trained under Ayman al-Zawahiri, the bearded jihadi who appears in Bin Laden's videos, telling the world that Islamic violence will stop only once we all become Muslims.

    He's a disarmingly gentle and courteous man. But he's determined to tell a complacent North America what he knows about fundamentalist Muslim imperialism.

    "Yes, 'imperialism,' " he tells me. "The deliberate and determined expansion of militant Islam and its attempt to triumph not only in the Islamic world but in Europe and North America. Pure ideology. Muslim terrorists kill and slaughter not because of what they experience but because of what they believe."

    Hamid drank in the message of Jihadism while at medical school in Cairo, and devoted himself to the cause. His group began meeting in a small room. Then a larger one. Then a Mosque reserved for followers of al-Zawahiri. By the time Hamid left the movement, its members were intimidating other students who were unsympathetic.

    He is now 45 years old, and has had many years to reflect on why he was willing to die and kill for his religion. "The first thing you have to understand is that it has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with poverty or lack of education," he says. "I was from a middle-class family and my parents were not religious. Hardly anyone in the movement at university came from a background that was different from mine.

    "I've heard this poverty nonsense time and time again from Western apologists for Islam, most of them not Muslim by the way. There are millions of passive supporters of terror who may be poor and needy but most of those who do the killing are wealthy, privileged, educated and free. If it were about poverty, ask yourself why it is middle-class Muslims -- and never poor Christians -- who become suicide bombers in Palestine."

    His analysis is fascinating. Muslim fundamentalists believe, he insists, that Saudi Arabia's petroleum-based wealth is a divine gift, and that Saudi influence is sanctioned by Allah. Thus the extreme brand of Sunni Islam that spread from the Kingdom to the rest of the Islamic world is regarded not merely as one interpretation of the religion but the only genuine interpretation. The expansion of violent and regressive Islam, he continues, began in the late 1970s, and can be traced precisely to the growing financial clout of Saudi Arabia.

    "We're not talking about a fringe cult here," he tells me. "Salafist [fundamentalist] Islam is the dominant version of the religion and is taught in almost every Islamic university in the world. It is puritanical, extreme and does, yes, mean that women can be beaten, apostates killed and Jews called pigs and monkeys."

    He leans back, takes a deep breath and moves to another area, one that he says is far too seldom discussed: "North Americans are too squeamish about discussing the obvious sexual dynamic behind suicide bombings. If they understood contemporary Islamic society, they would understand the sheer sexual tension of Sunni Muslim men. Look at the figures for suicide bombings and see how few are from the Shiite world. Terrorism and violence yes, but not suicide. The overwhelming majority are from Sunnis. Now within the Shiite world there are what is known as temporary marriages, lasting anywhere from an hour to 95 years. It enables men to release their sexual frustrations.

    "Islam condemns extra-marital sex as well as masturbation, which is also taught in the Christian tradition. But Islam also tells of unlimited sexual ecstasy in paradise with beautiful virgins for the martyr who gives his life for the faith. Don't for a moment underestimate this blinding passion or its influence on those who accept fundamentalism."

    A pause. "I know. I was one who accepted it."

    This partial explanation is shocking more for its banality than its horror. Mass murder provoked partly by simple lust. But it cannot be denied that letters written by suicide bombers frequently dwell on waiting virgins and sexual gratification.

    "The sexual aspect is, of course, just one part of this. But I can tell you what it is not about. Not about Israel, not about Iraq, not about Afghanistan. They are mere excuses. Algerian Muslim fundamentalists murdered 150,000 other Algerian Muslims, sometimes slitting the throats of children in front of their parents. Are you seriously telling me that this was because of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians or American foreign policy?"

    He's exasperated now, visibly angry at what he sees as a willful Western foolishness. "Stop asking what you have done wrong. Stop it! They're slaughtering you like sheep and you still look within. You criticize your history, your institutions, your churches. Why can't you realize that it has nothing to do with what you have done but with what they want."

    Then he leaves -- for where, he cannot say. A voice that is silenced in its homeland and too often ignored by those who prefer convenient revision to disturbing truth. The tragedy is that Tawfik Hamid is almost used to it.

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    Pay attention Jenna. Shut yer piehole and UNDERSTAND what he's saying.
    "Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you.
    He is training with minimum food or water, in austere conditions, day and night.
    The only thing clean on him is his weapon.
    He doesn't worry about what workout to do---his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him.
    The True Believer doesn't care "how hard it is"; he knows he either wins or he dies.
    He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home.
    He knows only the Cause.
    Now, who wants to quit?"

    "I am only one, but I am one. I can not do everything, but I can do something. And because I can not do everything I will not refuse to do the something that I can do. What I can do I should do. And what I should do, by the Grace of God, I will do."

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    That is a very good account of what and why they are doing what they are doing. Jenna look beyond the surface and see what he is saying. Research the religion, the movement, and the people. It is not about poverty, it is not about us, it is about them. This is what we have been trying to tell you.
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    This has to be the most frustrating argument of my life.

    I have to admit that it really gets under my skin, when you can point up at the Sky and say, "Wow, look how blue it is!". You can ask the next 1000 people that walk by and they all can look up at the sky independantly, and say, "Wow, what a beautiful blue sky."

    Then every so often there comes a person that looks up a sees pink polka dots. And no matter how much evidence there is, no matter where the sources come from, whether it's historical text from universities, or from main stream media, they still the pink polka dots!

    Now, I will be the first to admit that "group think" can be a dangereous thing. And because of that, I always suggest that people do their own research, or even better, just open their eyes, to really see what is going on in the world around them.

    I'm also tired of the typical excuses - the middle ages, the cursades, poverty, or that we are just as bad, etc.

    Just some quick facts. Until recently the cursades ment nothing to the Muslim world because they simply didn't/don't record history like the rest of the world. If it wasn't Islamic, it wasn't worth recording.

    The KKK, one of the US and Canada's worst organizations, killed nearly 5000 blacks and whites in the 200+ years it exisited. Islamic extremism is killing and seriously injuring 1000 people per week.

    Poverty, if you are a poppy farmer in Afghanistan, do you really consider yourself poor? If you have never seen "rich", how do you know you're poor?

    Between 1000 and 1500 AD 80 Hindus were Killed by Muslims, hense the name Hindu Kush Mountians (Hindu Slaughter).

    The Areminan Genocide in 1915 killed a 1.5 to 2 million and was the blue print used by Hitler for the "Final Solution".

    Around the same time as the Areminian Genocide, the Ottomens killed 350,000 Greeks in Thrace.

    Saddam kill tens of thousands of Kurdish

    Darfur - Arab Muslims killing Black Muslims (Because the people of other faiths have been murdered or have fled)

    And what have we learned, not a whole lot. As we allow immigration and citizenship, we risk lossing the identity of our nations.

    Look to Europe, look to Austrailia, and see what's happening. Hats off Austrailia, because they appear to be walking their talk.

    Thanks for listening

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cst.SB View Post
    This has to be the most frustrating argument of my life.

    I have to admit that it really gets under my skin, when you can point up at the Sky and say, "Wow, look how blue it is!". You can ask the next 1000 people that walk by and they all can look up at the sky independantly, and say, "Wow, what a beautiful blue sky."

    Then every so often there comes a person that looks up a sees pink polka dots. And no matter how much evidence there is, no matter where the sources come from, whether it's historical text from universities, or from main stream media, they still the pink polka dots!

    Now, I will be the first to admit that "group think" can be a dangereous thing. And because of that, I always suggest that people do their own research, or even better, just open their eyes, to really see what is going on in the world around them.

    I'm also tired of the typical excuses - the middle ages, the cursades, poverty, or that we are just as bad, etc.

    Just some quick facts. Until recently the cursades ment nothing to the Muslim world because they simply didn't/don't record history like the rest of the world. If it wasn't Islamic, it wasn't worth recording.

    The KKK, one of the US and Canada's worst organizations, killed nearly 5000 blacks and whites in the 200+ years it exisited. Islamic extremism is killing and seriously injuring 1000 people per week.

    Poverty, if you are a poppy farmer in Afghanistan, do you really consider yourself poor? If you have never seen "rich", how do you know you're poor?

    Between 1000 and 1500 AD 80 Hindus were Killed by Muslims, hense the name Hindu Kush Mountians (Hindu Slaughter).

    The Areminan Genocide in 1915 killed a 1.5 to 2 million and was the blue print used by Hitler for the "Final Solution".

    Around the same time as the Areminian Genocide, the Ottomens killed 350,000 Greeks in Thrace.

    Saddam kill tens of thousands of Kurdish

    Darfur - Arab Muslims killing Black Muslims (Because the people of other faiths have been murdered or have fled)

    And what have we learned, not a whole lot. As we allow immigration and citizenship, we risk lossing the identity of our nations.

    Look to Europe, look to Austrailia, and see what's happening. Hats off Austrailia, because they appear to be walking their talk.

    Thanks for listening

    now thats some sexy talkin! lol
    *whew*
    all hot and bothered here


    good lookin, smart and articulate....darn it! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by gozling View Post
    now thats some sexy talkin! lol
    *whew*
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    good lookin, smart and articulate....darn it! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by njpd View Post
    dido

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    Quote Originally Posted by njpd View Post
    dido
    i am going to have to charge you for watching
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    Found blackberry riots and
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    Well said Cst SB, well said.
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    Thanks for the comments.

    This is a great cartoon. It sums up the fact that people have diffferent realities.


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    Here's an even better one. This is one of Jack Layton, the leader of the New Democratic Party (Left Wingnuts), now known as Taliban Jack.



    Thankfully, he'll never become the Prime Minister!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gozling View Post
    i am going to have to charge you for watching
    oh man..how ya gonna do me dirty like that
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    Quote Originally Posted by njpd View Post
    oh man..how ya gonna do me dirty like that
    i can front you the bucks babe lol
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    But instead
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    An old skid road
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    While waves wrapped
    Intricate lacings of weeds
    'Round mule spinners

    His cyanotic eyes
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    The sun turn tail and
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    To his world of illusion

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    You folks have to understand where Jenna is coming from.

    She believes the Islamic threat doesn't exist.

    They are truly a peaceful reglion.

    She believes the reason the Islamic extremists are doing their thing is because of America's actions over there.

    It's true we are stealing their oil and paying them pennies on the dollar for each barrel. Don't you guys know we are keeping them in poverty. Let's not discuss that there are a whole shitload of millionaires over there that run their government and live like kings. The fact that those few don't spread the wealth to the poor serfs is our fault.

    She thinks if we all just hold hands and chant, we can change the world into one massive , one-government enitity where we will all be able to live a rich, rewarding life, regardless of our contributions to the society we live in.

    Everybody has worth. Everybody gives something back. It shouldn't make a difference if you actually work for your money; you should be more than willingly to share your earnings with everybody. It must be true. The most intelligent person in the US wrote a book about it. I believe it was called, "It Takes A Village".

    She believes that if we give up our soveign rights to the UN, the world can form one gaint melting pot and we can address everybody's ills.

    Wait, I think a few countries have tried this concept of government once already. I seem to remember it didn't quite work out the way it was supposed to. But, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try again!

    C'mon people- get with the program. There are those few among us that are obviously more enlightened than the rest of us.

    Join hands now.....

    So, let's leave Jenna alone.
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    Here watch this video. I am in an intensive terrorist class right now and the shit is really scary. Not too much in life scares me. Watch this video, sorry for those of you that have dial up, but this one is worth the watch and I would say it is safe for work. It is called Dirty Kuffar. (Dirty Cattle) Cattle is what the extremists see us as. It was said by a cleric in the UK, that the infedel is like Kuffar, or cattle, it is ok to take them and own them and sell them off, and since they are like cattle it is ok to kill them or shoot them. Now, I will not say everyone of Islam is a bad guy, but 10% of them are, and those are the ones that are here, are in the UK, are in Germany, are in every country but their own.

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    Unfortunately, the US has been here before. In the late 1930s FDR ran for office and promised he wouldn't send US men to fight in Europe.

    Then, December 7, 1941 happened.

    To challenge these boneheads we need to have them do something that will piss off John Q. Public enough that the Jenna types STFU and the public recognizes the gravity of the threat.

    We were there 9/11, but the moment passed without the US figuring out how to respond. I hope the govt. doesn't blow the next one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro56 View Post
    Here watch this video. I am in an intensive terrorist class right now and the shit is really scary. Not too much in life scares me. Watch this video, sorry for those of you that have dial up, but this one is worth the watch and I would say it is safe for work. It is called Dirty Kuffar. (Dirty Cattle) Cattle is what the extremists see us as. It was said by a cleric in the UK, that the infedel is like Kuffar, or cattle, it is ok to take them and own them and sell them off, and since they are like cattle it is ok to kill them or shoot them. Now, I will not say everyone of Islam is a bad guy, but 10% of them are, and those are the ones that are here, are in the UK, are in Germany, are in every country but their own.

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    Ok, quick Islam lesson here. You are close, but I'll clear it up for ya.

    A Kafir, or "kaffar", are people that are "not" Muslim. It's mostly used to describe Christians, Jews, and Non- Believers, though Christains and Jews rank higher on the Kafir list because they beleive in God.

    The thing about being called Kafir, is that it is one of the "unclean" things (Najis) Cattle not being one of them. But, dogs, urine, feces is.

    So, if you thought you were being compared to a cow, its much worse my friend!!

    Here is the list from Iran's Grand Ayatollah Sistani's website

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    Taharat (cleanliness) and keeping a clean body and surroundings are very important in Islam. Everyone must refrain from eating and drinking those things which are najis; and the clothing that one wears for Salat, which is the best of actions in worshipping Allah, must be clean, and it is best that they are the most pure of clothing. Because of this, it is necessary to know what things are najis and if something is najis, the method of making them tahir.

    ISSUE 13: Everything that exists is tahir except for eleven things, and those things that comes into contact with them also become najis.

    ISSUE 14: The things which are najis, are the following:

    1. Urine
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    3. Semen
    4. Corpse
    5. Blood
    6. Dog
    7. Pig
    8. Alcohol
    9. Beer (According to Ihtiyat Wajib)
    10. Kafir
    11. The sweat of a najis eating animal.

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    I love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro56 View Post
    I love it.
    The Global Jihad is such an interesting topic. I just wish more people would actually take a closer look at it!!!

    Good luck on the course and keep us all in the loop!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cst.SB View Post
    Ok, quick Islam lesson here. You are close, but I'll clear it up for ya.

    A Kafir, or "kaffar", are people that are "not" Muslim. It's mostly used to describe Christians, Jews, and Non- Believers, though Christains and Jews rank higher on the Kafir list because they beleive in God.

    The thing about being called Kafir, is that it is one of the "unclean" things (Najis) Cattle not being one of them. But, dogs, urine, feces is.

    So, if you thought you were being compared to a cow, its much worse my friend!!

    Here is the list from Iran's Grand Ayatollah Sistani's website

    http://www.sistani.org/html/eng/

    Taharat (cleanliness) and keeping a clean body and surroundings are very important in Islam. Everyone must refrain from eating and drinking those things which are najis; and the clothing that one wears for Salat, which is the best of actions in worshipping Allah, must be clean, and it is best that they are the most pure of clothing. Because of this, it is necessary to know what things are najis and if something is najis, the method of making them tahir.

    ISSUE 13: Everything that exists is tahir except for eleven things, and those things that comes into contact with them also become najis.

    ISSUE 14: The things which are najis, are the following:

    1. Urine
    2. Stool
    3. Semen
    4. Corpse
    5. Blood
    6. Dog
    7. Pig
    8. Alcohol
    9. Beer (According to Ihtiyat Wajib)
    10. Kafir
    11. The sweat of a najis eating animal.
    Great post!

 

 

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