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    MVPhony routed by the Real Most Valuable Player

    Yup, Manning was one and done. Chargers came from behind and defeated the Colts...http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_y...id=20090103024
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    Manning is probably the best quarterback in the history of the game. he's a great player and a class act. he struggles against the chargers (who have a very good team i might add), give him a break. by the way...GO EAGLES!!!!
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    Who was the real MVP, just curiously? If I got a vote, I would've probably voted Turner...i think. Maybe even Pennington. I don't think Manning was NOT deserving of the award (he did manage to lead his team from an awful start to 9 straight wins and the playoffs), but not as deserving as Turner, who helped turn the Falcons from garbage to postseason. But, then again, I'm kind of numb to football right now...f-ing Cowboys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tapout View Post
    Manning is probably the best quarterback in the history of the game. he's a great player and a class act. he struggles against the chargers (who have a very good team i might add), give him a break. by the way...GO EAGLES!!!!
    Eh, not even the best of his era, that would be Brady!

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    Who was the real MVP, just curiously? If I got a vote, I would've probably voted Turner...i think. Maybe even Pennington. I don't think Manning was NOT deserving of the award (he did manage to lead his team from an awful start to 9 straight wins and the playoffs), but not as deserving as Turner, who helped turn the Falcons from garbage to postseason. But, then again, I'm kind of numb to football right now...f-ing Cowboys.
    My top 5 would have been Rivers, Turner, Warner, Brees (even though he didn't make it to the playoffs) and Pennington, or maybe Andre Johnson (also a playoff no show)...
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    he struggles against the chargers (who have a very good team i might add)
    You are referring to the 8-8 Chargers, who barely made the playoffs, only after Denver lost there last four games, I assume?

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    I have to laugh when people say Manning deserved the award after bringing his team back. Manning threw only 27 touchdowns, his lowest total since 2002. Don't know who the MVP is, but it isn't Manning!

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    There is nooooooo way Manning deserved to be MVP this year. Manning is good, but hes not the best this year or the best ever. Get him out of the pocket and he shuts down, that is exactly what the Chargers do against him and thats why they can beat him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw View Post
    Who was the real MVP, just curiously? If I got a vote, I would've probably voted Turner...i think. Maybe even Pennington. I don't think Manning was NOT deserving of the award (he did manage to lead his team from an awful start to 9 straight wins and the playoffs), but not as deserving as Turner, who helped turn the Falcons from garbage to postseason. But, then again, I'm kind of numb to football right now...f-ing Cowboys.
    What about Matt Ryan? You don't want to attribute the Falcon's success to him as much as Turner? I think Ryan should have gotten at least a vote.
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    And Manning can't beat the refs either..............

    I think the NFL wanted to make amends to the Chargers for earlier in the season when the refs f-ed over the Chargers.

    You can dismiss my "blame the ref" sentiment as being lame, but that game had enough controversial calls in it for a whole NFL season. How about when the refs measure for a first down, giving the chargers a first down, and THEN move the ball back half a yard or so? WTF???? If the ball should have been placed there, then that is where you measure it from. Yes, if the Colts had made a few more plays here and there, the refs would have been taken out of the equation, but the refs opened up the door for the Chargers to waltz right through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace View Post
    Yup, Manning was one and done. Chargers came from behind and defeated the Colts...http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_y...id=20090103024
    So you say they lost to the real MVP. Pray tell, who was that? Rivers? He played like shit. The best player for the Chargers was the punter. Sproles the 2nd best. Neither of them should be mentioned in the same universe as the NFL MVP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaFuzz View Post
    So you say they lost to the real MVP. Pray tell, who was that? Rivers? He played like shit. The best player for the Chargers was the punter. Sproles the 2nd best. Neither of them should be mentioned in the same universe as the NFL MVP.

    Phillip Rivers has the highest passer rating in the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    You are referring to the 8-8 Chargers, who barely made the playoffs, only after Denver lost there last four games, I assume?
    i know, 8-8 and in on kind of a fluke...but you cant deny that they are a very talented,dangerous, and hot team right now. i wouldnt want my team to see them early in the playoffs. they have too many weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tapout View Post
    i know, 8-8 and in on kind of a fluke...but you cant deny that they are a very talented,dangerous, and hot team right now. i wouldnt want my team to see them early in the playoffs. they have too many weapons.

    I agree. Like I said, Phillip Rivers had the highest passer rating in the NFL this year, and L.T. and Antonio Gates are star players. They're a dangerous 8-8 team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaFuzz View Post
    What about Matt Ryan? You don't want to attribute the Falcon's success to him as much as Turner? I think Ryan should have gotten at least a vote.
    I think Ryan did an excellent job..but a back as good as Turner will help to mask the deficiencies of a rookie QB. But look at the sure-fire, no-way-to-lose formula in the NFL: if you run the ball, you will win. No matter what. If you can run sucessfully 30 times a game (4.0+ ypc) then you will win. Mainly because you can control the clock/time of possession, but also it opens the play action passing game, which is what the Falcons were so damn good at this year.
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    by the way, ed reed is the best player in football, and is clearly the mvp. not the defensive player of the year, the mvp. but if i had to go offensive...brian westbrook. i know he wasnt even really on the mvp radar, and does not have the best numbers, but he's easily the most dangerous weapon in football. he carried the eagles on his back to the playoffs this year. everything they do on offense goes through him. i dont think any one player is more valuable to their team then he is to the eagles.

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    id say those are pretty good numbers for 14 games. noone has more total yards from scrimmage over the last 5 years then westbrook other then tomlinson
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaFuzz View Post
    So you say they lost to the real MVP. Pray tell, who was that? Rivers? He played like shit. The best player for the Chargers was the punter. Sproles the 2nd best. Neither of them should be mentioned in the same universe as the NFL MVP.
    Yes, Rivers was who I was referring to. During the regular season, which is what the MVP is awarded for, he posted better stats then Manning. He also led a team from 4 games below .500 to to be the division champions. LT was hurt all year, so Rivers had to carry that team. Manning has had the benefit of playing behind one of the best o-lines in football, and also having one of the best WR duo's of all time at his disposal. He is not the caliber of a QB that Montana or Brady is. Hell, you saw what happened last year when Brady finally got a good WR to throw to...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace View Post
    . Manning has had the benefit of playing behind one of the best o-lines in football, and also having one of the best WR duo's of all time at his disposal. He is not the caliber of a QB that Montana or Brady is. Hell, you saw what happened last year when Brady finally got a good WR to throw to...
    dude, seriously, i think youre just a manning hater. noone studies the game harder, or has more football intelligence than mannning. that guy is amazing. you cant honestly say that brady and montana are on a different level then manning...thats downright ridiculous. if you wanna compare bradys record numbers from last year to mannings previous record setting season its an unfair compettition. manning didnt have an asshole coach that would just run the score up and keep throwing td's when it was 40 to 3 with 4 minutes left in the game. the numbers are skewed. if manning did that, he might have thrown 60 tds...who knows? those three guys will probably go down as the three best qb's of all time. if there is a difference between them its so slight that noone can really gain the edge. to say manning is not at the same level as those guys is pretty bold though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tapout View Post
    dude, seriously, i think youre just a manning hater. noone studies the game harder, or has more football intelligence than mannning. that guy is amazing. you cant honestly say that brady and montana are on a different level then manning...thats downright ridiculous. if you wanna compare bradys record numbers from last year to mannings previous record setting season its an unfair compettition. manning didnt have an asshole coach that would just run the score up and keep throwing td's when it was 40 to 3 with 4 minutes left in the game. the numbers are skewed. if manning did that, he might have thrown 60 tds...who knows? those three guys will probably go down as the three best qb's of all time. if there is a difference between them its so slight that noone can really gain the edge. to say manning is not at the same level as those guys is pretty bold though.
    Ok maybe I was a little over the top with that statement. However, nobody is coddled more by the media then Manning, and hence, the perception that most sports fans have of him is that he is the greatest ever. He simply isn't. He chokes under pressure, especially in the playoffs and has for his entire sports career starting in college. If you want to bring hypothetical situations into this, then I think that if Brady was surrounded by an offensive powerhouse and had receivers akin to Harrison or Wayne for his entire career, his numbers would have dwarfed Mannings. Instead, Brady had to throw to guys like Givens, or Branch, or Patten, all sub par or barely par wideouts, and he made those guys look good. And as far as studying the game goes, Manning does not hold any type of edge in that department over any of the QB's that he has been compared to, so that is a moot argument. With all of that being said, Montana will always be considered the best of all time unless Brady can get two more Rings, or Manning gets 4 more, both of those will likely not happen...
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