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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    We don't taze people for being assholes, although it could certainly be the deciding factor on whether we do or don't taze someone.
    • The student didn't have any ID to prove that he was legitimately there.
    • Subsequently, management asked him to leave (all he had to do was go get his ID and return with it).
    • The student refused to leave.
    • Management called the police.
    • The police arrived and asked the kid to leave. He refused. Do you see a pattern here??? After multiple requests to leave, the kid refused, so he was finally tazed when he pulled away from officers who motioned for him to leave. The officers were very polite about it.
    • Even after being tazed, the kid refused to "stand up." (the pattern continues).
    Okay, after all of the above, should the officers have simply shrugged their shoulders and walked away and told management "It's not our problem -- it's your problem." Nope -- it doesn't work that way.

    Well said sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFighter2 View Post
    Wrong. I believe cops should protect citizen from the initiation of force. I believe government should be minimal and that it's ONLY purpose would be to protect citizens from the initiation of force and to punish those who initiate it.
    But wouldn't the government be initiating force when they punish?
    "Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you.
    He is training with minimum food or water, in austere conditions, day and night.
    The only thing clean on him is his weapon.
    He doesn't worry about what workout to do---his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him.
    The True Believer doesn't care "how hard it is"; he knows he either wins or he dies.
    He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home.
    He knows only the Cause.
    Now, who wants to quit?"

    "I am only one, but I am one. I can not do everything, but I can do something. And because I can not do everything I will not refuse to do the something that I can do. What I can do I should do. And what I should do, by the Grace of God, I will do."

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    You mean like cops using a no-knock warrant to break into a 92 year old woman's house in plain clothes and gunning her down when she tries to defend herself?
    But, alas, you posted this comment. Sorry, I had to re-label you as a complete nob…which is worse than a total nob. If you spend as much time on the internet as you say you have, you should probably check out other sites. You do yourself a major disservice posting a patently false statement such as this one.
    This woman was minding her own business. She was in her own home, in a crime ridden neighborhood. She saw three people break into her house. They weren't in uniform. She had no way of knowing they were cops. She defended herself, which was her right. She was murdered by your brothers in return. And you sit here and defend their actions.

    Of course the cops shot back, that's the natural reaction when someone shoots at you. But they created the situation. They weren't in uniform. They walked past a well-worn wheelchair ramp. They broke into her home. Her death is on their heads. Her blood is on their hands. Yet, in the proud American tradition of letting cops literally get away with murder, I doubt they'll get anything more than a reprimand, if that. Hell, they'll probably get a promotion down the line.

    So BigSid police officers doing their job correctly is wrong?? Is this what your saying??
    If doing their job correctly results in the murder of an elderly woman defending herself, absolutely. It couldn't be more wrong.

    The student didn't have any ID to prove that he was legitimately there.
    "May I haff your papers, please?"

    The police arrived and asked the kid to leave. He refused.
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    Wrong. He was leaving. He was on his way out when a cop grabbed him. If they had let him go that would have been the end of it. But then the sadists wouldn't have been able to get their jollies on him, would they?

    you need to leave.
    Better listen, FF. He's just itching to use his taser on you.

    I follow policy and procedure set by the dept. you want to change it.. talk to them.
    I believe that's called "The Nuremburg Defense."

    just because its criminal doesnt mean its wrong??? are you OUT OF YOUR FING MIND????
    Something that's against the law is automatically wrong? Are YOU out of your fucking mind? Have you ever read, say, a history book?

    You and your kind hate America, you hate law and order.
    I loved America. I miss it. And one of the things that killed it was cops. Cops removing citizens from their property to hand it over to a corporation under the ruse of eminent domain. Cops grabbing some dumb kid who was stupid enough to sell some grass to his buddies and seeing him spend a third of his life in prison for it. Cops murdering 92 year old women who are defending their property while enforcing an unconstitutional law that creates half the crime in this country.

    If cops read the constitution, and refused to enforce unconstitutional laws instead of saying "yes sir" like little automations, maybe we could get America back.

    The taser allows the police to inflict severe pain without inflicting injury.
    That's not the problem. The problem is the sadistic glee so many of you have over using it.

    I am up for competition as long as there is sportsmanship and no foul play.
    Take a look at the attitudes here. Do you think that's very likely?

    There is very very little that we do that were not following "orders." If the orders are from a judge, r the laws of the state or federal government then we are following orders. And frankly a law is a law, I dont make them, and I might not agree with them, but I have to follow them and enforce them its my job.
    There's that Nuremburg defense again.

    The student in question was infringing on the rights and freedoms of every other student in the library, as well as the institution itself.
    How was he doing that? Please be specific.

    So is freedomfight1,2,&3, fortune and bigsig the same person or is bigsid someone else?
    I can't speak about anyone else, but this is my only account, and when you shut it down (as I'm sure you will, being too juvenile to handle criticism for any length of time) I'll be gone.

    All different people, but from the same place...
    And they still can't figure it out. Such great detectives. Should we give them a hint on how to do it? OK, here it is - the person running the web site should be able to tell where we're coming from in about 15 seconds. Now let's see if they can do it.

    If the mods are really industrious about this, see if the IP's lead back to a school. If they do, see if you can report the IP's to the school or have them brought before the school's judicial affairs.
    IPs won't do it, and we're not coming from a school. The way to find out is simpler than tracing IPs.

    This is not a fascist nation, and your comparing it to one is an insult.
    Perhaps you should read the text of the Military Commissions Act, which you and your brothers will be enforcing.

    Or the New London Decision by the Supremes last summer.

    I could give you a much longer list, but read those first and give me your brilliant analysis.

    As a citizen, you have the responsability to follow the laws until they are changed thru the democratic process. Failure to do so is an insult to the founding fathers you so love to reference.
    You mean the founding fathers who refused to abide by the laws of the British, to the point of creating a revolution and kicking them out entirely? Those founding fathers?

    His punishment was not torture, it was not in my opinion excessive.
    And that, right there, is the reason you shouldn't be carrying a gun, or a badge, or wearing a uniform.

    As for the "you can't have an opinion because your not one of us" excuse that's repeated over and over here: I am not a farmer. But I can tell when an apple is rotten.

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    The cops bopught dope in that house, then got a search warrant. They then announced themsleves and were wearing clothing with the words POLICE on them!!! She shot without even knowing who it was. Dumbass she shot first, and the cops are to blame??? How about her reletive that was selling the drugs out of her house to begin with?? You dont place any blame there?? If he wasnt breaking the law the cops wouldnt have had a warrant for her house. God Damn why cant you place the blame where it belongs?? The one that was breaking the damn law, that set all this in motion to begin with. And dont give me the BS about drugs should be legal, they are not legal and until they are I will enforce them. Why you ask?? Because that is my job, and I believ they should be illegal (my belief).

    Its people like you that make my country a bad place. Try laying blame where it belongs. It so damn easy for you to always say its the cops fault. Its never the fault of the poor criminal. Nah his actions never cause anything, its always the cops fault. He flees from us in a car and hits and kills someone and its our fault for chasing him. Not his fault for running in the first place. Maybe we as cops should start to do the same thing. When someone breaks into a store and robs and kills the people we should say "well you shouldnt have had any money here to begin with". Makes alot of sence doesnt it asshole!!??

    You say cops should do less, and there shoul;d be less laws, but if there were there would be more anarchy. Then you and your friends would be asking where are the cops??? Or when vigilante justice took over you would again ask where are the cops??

    I cant believe you are so damn stupid that you cant see the nose in front of your face. You would rather chop it off to spite it. Damn what a dumb ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsid View Post
    This woman was minding her own business. She was in her own home, in a crime ridden neighborhood. She saw three people break into her house. They weren't in uniform. She had no way of knowing they were cops. She defended herself, which was her right. She was murdered by your brothers in return. And you sit here and defend their actions.
    Yes, maybe she was minding her own business. She lived in a crime ridden neighborhood. The police, however, WERE in a type of uniform, with several-thousand dollar tactical vests on that say POLICE in LARGE REFLECTIVE LETTERS. They were no doubt carrying several-thousand dollar weapons alond with several thousands of dollars in equipment, helmets, goggles, and radios. They no doubt used a very expensive ram in order to breach the door and make entry. Each officer no doubt shouted POLICE several times in an attempt to advise the occupant that they were, indeed, POLICE. Now either she chose to ignore all of that when she fired close to ten rounds, or it didn't matter WHO was coming in, cops or not.

    Oh, I almost forgot the fully-marked patrol car out in front of the house.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigSid
    Of course the cops shot back, that's the natural reaction when someone shoots at you. But they created the situation. They weren't in uniform. They walked past a well-worn wheelchair ramp. They broke into her home. Her death is on their heads. Her blood is on their hands. Yet, in the proud American tradition of letting cops literally get away with murder, I doubt they'll get anything more than a reprimand, if that. Hell, they'll probably get a promotion down the line.
    Negative, the person WHO SOLD ILLICIT NARCOTICS out of the house is to blame. Let's get something straight...a search warrant is about as legal as you get. An order, signed by a judge, giving his blessing to forcefully enter a residence in order to recover evidence of a crime. Undercover officers bought narcotics at the house shortly before the warrant was served. Suspected illicit drugs were found in a subsequent search. So let's get it straight, the cops were WELL within their legal purview to forcefully breach the house, and unfortunately someone died.

    I'm sorry you feel that the cops took joy in "murdering" an elderly woman. I assure you that is not the case, and if you don't believe me then there's nothing I can do to change your mind. I grieve for that woman and the good people of her family that face this loss. Even more, I grieve for the officers who I KNOW are in very dark places of their lives right now, who are struggling to cope with the fact that the person they were forced to shoot was an elderly woman who for all intents and purposes should NOT have been living alone. If you can't grasp that we're humans too, and that we bleed and feel pain, well who's deceiving who? If you can't see that, then I can only feel sorry for you and take pity on you as someone who truly can't see the forest but for the trees.


    Quote Originally Posted by BigSid
    "May I haff your papers, please?"
    That's the first time in THIS post that you've compared American policing to a genocidal regime responsible for the extermination of several MILLIONS of people, due SIMPLY to their race/religion/sexual preferences. Others of your ilk have done the same thing throughout the thread. It's unconscionable. Are you related to anyone who spent time in a camp in WWII? Anyone in your family oppressed by the Nazis in 1940's Europe? Give me a break. I have plenty of Jewish friends whose families would probably throw you out of their houses for downplaying the Holocaust in order to suit your own arguments. Please.

    In addition, you give up a lot of your constitutional rights when you're enrolled in an institution like a college or university. No one ever throws a shit fit that you aren't allowed to keep and bear arms on campus (on campuses that prohibit firearms). No one complains that you might not necessarily receive due process for campus disciplinary issues. On the same token, UCLA probably has a policy that students using the college's facilities must have valid student or government ID on them at all times while in the facility, and probably requires that students present the ID when demanded by a staff member or police. If you don't like it, withdraw from the school, as no one's making you stay enrolled. Plenty of public and private institutions do this...health clubs, lodges, job sites. Don't even try to construe the cops as jackbooted thugs because they were asking to see ID in order to verify whether an individual was a STUDENT in good standing with permissions to use the facility.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigSid
    Wrong. He was leaving. He was on his way out when a cop grabbed him. If they had let him go that would have been the end of it. But then the sadists wouldn't have been able to get their jollies on him, would they?
    You were there? Please. Was I? No. But I am smart enough to consider the logical chain of events. In this day and age, with our profession being under the microscope to the extent it is, do you honestly think some university cops at UCLA of all places would flagarantly profile a student as he sitting there peacably? No. Did the lab monitor who originally asked for his ID do this? Who knows. All I know is, you present the ID, then make your case later. Once the cops get there, the jig is up. Sorry you don't agree, but cops are not hired to negotiate with people who just don't want to follow directions. A responsible citizen knows this, and deals with his concerns through the appropriate channels. This kid probably would have handled it in this manner had he been alone. He's a ham, who was amping the situation up for the crowd...made up of HIS peers.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigSid
    I believe that's called "The Nuremburg Defense."
    There you go again, attempting to draw a comparison between the atrocities committed under the orders of a certifiable lunatic to the plainly transparent jobs of civil servants in America. Besides being rude and callous, that argument is TIRED and without merit. For the record, that's the second time you used that worthless shock tactic in this post.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigSid
    Something that's against the law is automatically wrong? Are YOU out of your fucking mind? Have you ever read, say, a history book?
    Examples? In the vast majority of the cases you are referring to, the laws were imposed by colonial ruling states, or in non-democratic nations where the citizens really had no say in the legislative aspect of their laws. Most of our laws descend from English Common Law (with the exception of a few places like Louisiana), and most have been around for the better part of 200 years. We're at the point that we've weeded out those that we've deemed unnecessary (such as Adultery), and we're left with the ones that we believe, by voting consensus, are necessary.

    I loved America. I miss it. And one of the things that killed it was cops. Cops removing citizens from their property to hand it over to a corporation under the ruse of eminent domain. Cops grabbing some dumb kid who was stupid enough to sell some grass to his buddies and seeing him spend a third of his life in prison for it. Cops murdering 92 year old women who are defending their property while enforcing an unconstitutional law that creates half the crime in this country.

    If cops read the constitution, and refused to enforce unconstitutional laws instead of saying "yes sir" like little automations, maybe we could get America back.
    If you don't like the home team, get the fuck out of the stadium, because you're definitely in the minority. If you think that cops are singlehandedly destroying what you believe was a utopic America, there's nothing I can do to make you realize how utterly stupid that idea is.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigSid
    There's that Nuremburg defense again.
    There's that tired, yet still insulting, shock tactic again. THREE TIMES!

    Quote Originally Posted by BigSid
    How was he doing that? Please be specific.
    I can't speak to the rights of the students around him, but he was in violation of a university policy, and the university had the policy enforced through their police department.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigSid
    You mean the founding fathers who refused to abide by the laws of the British, to the point of creating a revolution and kicking them out entirely? Those founding fathers?
    Please don't tell me that you are honestly comparing you and those like you to the likes of our Founding Fathers?

    Tell you what though...how about we ship all of you off to some barren place to colonize it, like the Founding Fathers did? Once you're all settled, you won't HAVE to kick us out. We'll just leave. You'll be away from the cops, and we'll be rid of you. Huzzahs all around.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigSid
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    Good to see you can be mature about things. Take a hike. I'm done with you.
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    Also when he refers to our Founding Fathers removing the British, he doesnt seem to remember one small detail.

    They first came here to get away because they didnt agree with the laws in England. Now you and your kind can do the same thing. I believe Antartica is available as a place to colonize, it has no known government. HAve fun there, you have our blessing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFighter2 View Post
    Those who support police are probably close to a cop who is actually a good guy (one in a million shot) or need to do their homework and see that those who support out laws are only hurting this country and helping to create more unnecessary laws.
    It's obvious to me, and everyone else participating in this thread, that you KNOW NOTHING OF WHAT YOU SPEAK! It’s so easy for you to hide behind your keyboard and shoot off at the mouth. The truth is you're a coward, a sorry, spineless POS! Until you have walked a day in their shoes, you need to SHUT THE FUCK UP! I guarantee your words will come back to haunt you. Someday (and I hope it’s soon) you will find yourself in a situation and wish you hadn’t said what you said:

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    lard ass, dough nut munching, red neck, tool, mother fuckers... There is nothing more pathetic and sick than cops these days, you and your fucking power trips thinking you are in charge of the god damned world.
    Someday you will need the assistance of a LEO. For all we know it could be one of LEF's LEO's (I hope this isn't the case). He won't know who you are, and you won't know who he is. You will just be thankful he's there. The sad part is he will save your life or die trying. Either way, you will come to regret your words. How do I know this? Simple. The person who gets on a high horse is riding for a fall. I hope you fall hard.

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    Gee, BigSid thinks I am not fit to carry a badge? Well I suppose I should just pack it in now. I mean he speaks for such a LARGE majority of the population....I mean his ilk get what.... like .002% of the vote in either local or national elections? So CLEARLY he has his finger right on the pulse of the nation, and therefore I am out of the main. The truth of the matter is it doesnt matter to me who you are sid, fortune, freedom or whomever else you are, or where you are for that matter. In the big scheme of things you are irrelivant. Your opinions are held only by a few spoiled children livivng off either mommy and daddy or the state you so claim to hate; you have no idea what it takes to keep a nation strong and to protect its citizens. ALL OF THEM. Do us all a favor, go away...go sit in your little conclave, or at a protest, or in another PRIVATE library, and talk about all the great things you would accomplish if things were left to you....and just disappear. This has nothing to do you getting under our skin, or getting a reaction, at least not from me....it is simply the fact that knowning there are people like you in my country depresses me, and it makes me even more worried about her future.....so really, dont go away mad, just please go away....

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    [QUOTE=FreedomFighter2;124966]Don't get me wrong, I appreciate any cop who really does help people, if he only helps people. Paramedics and Firemen save lives everyday, far more than cops, and they don't ever ruin lives in the process. You don't hear about them abusing their power, you don't hear about them shooting people or raiding homes. I challenge you to find one cop who has helped more people than he has hindered. Think about it. Maybe you pull a guy from a burning house before the FD arrives, but the next day you arrest a guy for selling some dope to a few friends. Say he has a family and kids and he was selling the dope to make some extra cash to send his kids to a good private school. You just ruined a whole family, kids lose their father. A mother is now single. Replace the sale of pot for ANY other victimless crime. Just think about how many lives you ruin from day to day. That victimless crime didn't have a victim, you didn't HELP anybody, you only hurt. Yet you support these actions.

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    this is the dumbest paragraph i have ever read

    ever

    seriously

    im not kidding

    first off, paramedics and firefighters dont "raid houses or shoot people" because they carry stethescopes, rubber gloves, and water hoses. its tough to raid a house armed only with a fire extinguisher. its not their job...they do not get dispacthed to burglaries, robberies, rapes, domestics, and the list goes on. if they do happen to get dispatched to one of these calls because the victim WE ARE CURRENTLY HELPING happens to have suffered some injury worth checking out...they arrive to those types of calls after WE HAVE MADE THE SCENE SAFE FOR THE THE FIREFIGHTERS AND PARAMEDICS TO RESPOND.

    as for mr respectable citizen selling dope on the side to send his kids to a good private school...this sounds so stupid on so many different levels im not even going to respond. how bout maybe getting a part time job?
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    No offer yet on my "challenge." I figured he'd pussy out.

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    Both these guys are assholes and I am not gonna waste my time responding to them anymore.
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    Doubts, concerns, and reason.

    As much I as I prefer law and order, this case isn't really about that, it's more about the proper use of tools. In this case, the proper use of the taser device. Whether you're a little-L libertarian like myself, or whatever, the fact remains the repeated use of a taser to get physical compliance from anyone is impractical. Why? The simple fact that any device that uses any low amp/ high voltage electrical discharge usually disables a person between 20 seconds to as much as 2 minutes if you understand the fundamentals of electrocution at any level [amps and voltages].

    I do think the given person, the student, was the antagonist in the situation, but I believe the behavior of the officers in question were very much unprofessional, especially concerning their threats toward other students who merely were asking for badge numbers. Granted, such kids don't have a clue what might have been going on, but the reality remains that threatening bystanders with violence rather than simply ordering them to stay put, which in that context was completely proper as to ensure their safety from the antagonist, is improper in any context. I can tell you one thing, those kids weren't certainly rearing for a fight any time soon. Rather, it looked like a gawkfest from any angle.

    Beyond that, any recourse to defend these given law officers is just simply irrational. But it can be logically construed[sp?] that it is equally irrational to damn them for what could just be simply minor mistakes in taser handling.

    On a side note, I think it's imperative to my fellow libertarians [Big-L and little-L] to step back and understand the particular position many law officers are in. Low pay, terrible hours, and lousey customers certainly isn't what drives a person to be a law officer, considering that such attributes are often applicable to the conditions of the job [per locality]. Yet I do have grave concern to the anti-liberty-mindedness of certain individuals in this forum. Remember, you swore to protect and serve, and those two things don't come from brow beating those who technically are you superiors under the definitions held within the Constutition and American Common Law. The citizen, not the law officer, makes the call on what laws are passed, and what precidents are made. You are simply the arbiter of these, and nothing more when you wear that uniform. Just as I, when I wear my uniform at my own job, am only the arbiter [and keeper] of my employers. And that is essential to any free society and free exchange [of services, goods and etc].


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    Yet I do have grave concern to the anti-liberty-mindedness of certain individuals in this forum.

    Tuff, it’s my right.

    Remember, you swore to protect and serve, and those two things don't come from brow beating those who technically are you superiors under the definitions held within the Constutition and American Common Law.

    In the USA under our laws I don’t any superiors; everyone is equal.

    The citizen, not the law officer, makes the call on what laws are passed, and what precidents are made.

    Right; we enforce them; get used to it.

    You are simply the arbiter of these, and nothing more when you wear that uniform.

    Not arbiter, enforcer; there’s a difference.

    Just as I, when I wear my uniform at my own job, am only the arbiter [and keeper] of my employers. And that is essential to any free society and free exchange [of services, goods and etc].

    It’s different at Mickey D’s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1sgkelly View Post
    Tuff, it’s my right.
    Non-sequitur in light of the criticism.


    In the USA under our laws I don’t any superiors; everyone is equal.
    According to the common law, yes you are equal when you are not wearing that badge, but when you do, you work for US govt of US Citizens Inc for an analogy in the business world. And I as a citizen, am one of your major stock holders.

    Right; we enforce them; get used to it.
    But you dod not decide the methods of enforcement, the body politic [the citizenry] does.

    Not arbiter, enforcer; there’s a difference.
    No, you're an arbiter.

    arbiter
    n 1: someone with the power to settle matters at will; "she was
    the final arbiter on all matters of fashion"

    It’s different at Mickey D’s.
    Actually, I work at a chinese food restaurant, but that does not refute my point. You are to submit to the body politic [the citizenry] or you are not of the US Constitution and its lawfully bound statutes.

    The last time I checked, we operated as a constitutional republic, not even the PATRIOT act removed that core to the procedures of the First Articles of the US Constitution.


    And I think your attitude shows disregard to that part of the law that does indeed reign in your power. Remember, you are of the executive side of the American political triad, that means you obey the mandate for that portion therein. Otherwise, you have corrupted the protections and spirit inherent to that triad which protects us from the worse possible evil on Earth: other humans with arbitrary ideas.

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    Also, your defensive nature is not conducive to promoting good will between law officers and the citizenry, which I find saddening considering many of my best friends either work for the Wichita PD [one chap in booking from way back] and for the Sedgwick County Sherriff's department [one of my sister's ex's relatives, which worked as a deputy sherriff for several years]. If you want to promote good will with your employers, the body politic, I can offer you several good books on PR and Business Communication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RationalMuse;125751 the fact remains the repeated use of a taser to get physical compliance from anyone is impractical. Why? The simple fact that any device that uses any low amp/ high voltage electrical discharge usually disables a person between 20 seconds to as much as 2 minutes if you understand the fundamentals of electrocution at any level [amps and voltages
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    I don't trust the TASER corporation to explain to me what I personally handle every day for fun. I happen to like to make electronic gadgets and such. I've been hankering for a Telsa coil, but I don't have the space nor the permits [they make too much radio noise] to put one together. So, when you have any electrical arc device, it does indeed paralyze a victim in the minority of cases. Even the taser corp knows this, as do the majority of medical students.

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    RationalMuse.....You need to either finish school or go back. No LEO, myself included, is any less equal to any other citizen while in uniform. YOU, the individual citizen, is not our "boss" in any way, shape or form. We are employees of various governmental agencies. These agencies are told by their legislative bodies what the laws are and we are tasked with enforcing them. We cannot be "arbiters' in almost any of our activities. Your definition implies an ability on the part of the arbiter to settle a matter according to his "will". We are only allowed to enforce laws in an equitable manner treating all citizens in a like manner. If LEOs could use their own "will", no citizen would ever have a clear perception of what conduct is legal or illegal. Additionally, government itself has no law enforcement duty to you in particuar, only to society as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RationalMuse View Post
    But you dod not decide the methods of enforcement, the body politic [the citizenry] does.
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    I don't know where the hell you got that idea from. Our Enforcement Policy comes from our department not pookie. If it did, we wouldn't have jobs.
    Listen here, they did the right thing. Here in Illinois there is no Common Law. Maybe in Cali but not here. He was non compliant to the officers that were there ENFORCING the law. He got zapped, they did the right thing, I saw nothing but drama from a College Kid that thinks, like most citizens he knows more than the law officer. Only because the citizen only listens to and reads the parts of the laws that they want to read or listen to. So, I do good Police work, and I bet you do a fine and outstanding job at China Hut. I don't tell you what your responsibilities are at your work and I don't expect any1 who does not perform my duties or has the same certifications that I do to tell me how 2 do my job. My job description includes to ENFORCE and UPHOLD the laws of the US, the State of IL and the City of Chicago.
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    Well RationalMuse gave me negative rep and told me how much I am wrong; so I guess he showed me. I think I’ll just go over in the corner and cry my eyes out.

    So all you other cops be real careful dealing with this guy he has right on his side and he’s not afraid to use it.
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