UCLA Cops Tazer Student

[bufford408]

Hey Sid. Have some red on me ass hole.

oh by the way..
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How do you like that sir?

[MonsterMash]

I have been online and participating in forums since the days of 1200 baud modems. I've read and participated in literally tens of thousands of message threads. I had lots of interesting conversations with cops on Genie's A.L.E.R.T (A Law Enforcement Round Table) twenty years ago, well before the internet was widespread.

I've had, and still have, plenty of friends who are/were cops. Most of the times that I've dealt with police officers myself they've been professional. I generally like cops. I want to like cops. But you guys are making it damn near impossible.

I've seen some truly appalling things on BBSs: pedophiles insisting that their sexual urges for little kids was normal and justified, racists calling for the extinction of an entire race, and bullies of all sorts treating violence on anyone who disagreed with them.

In all those years, I have never seen a thread more appalling than this.

Was the kid an asshole? I don't think so, but for the sake of argument, I'll give you that. But to see all of you in here cheering about his treatment makes me so disgusted I can feel it in my gut.

You're job is to deal with assholes. You do it every day, and you're supposed to be trained to do it while staying professional. And here you all are, cheering on thugs that resorted to torture, and lamenting that they didn't torture the kid more, and attack the students that had the audacity to challenge them.



So the people exist to serve the cops, not the other way around? I guess we are living in a police state.



He tried to behave. He tried to leave. And the thugs in blue responded by tazing him five times.



Ah, yes, protect and serve.



He was leaving! Doing what he was told. And your brothers responded with a torture session.



Wrong. He was leaving, and a cop grabbed him.



"Pain compliance?" There's some cute Newspeak. And the fact that you don't think this is an abuse of power is pathetic, and frightening.



Because this is the POLICE STATE! We have the power!



Just lovely.



It's so good to know you're there to protect us.



You mean like cops using a no-knock warrant to break into a 92 year old woman's house in plain clothes and gunning her down when she tries to defend herself?

That makes me feel so safe. And I'm sure you thugs will justify your fellow thug's murderous ways in that case too.

We're told, time and time again, that your job is to protect and serve. We're supposed to take that as gospel. But how can be believe that when you act like this?

Were they protecting and serving the first time they tased him?

Were they protecting and serving the second time they tased him?

Were they protecting and serving the third time they tased him?

Were they protecting and serving the fourth time they tased him?

Were they protecting and serving the fifth time they tased him?

Not one of you, not one, has even considered the idea that these officers were out of line. Instead you sit here and justify their actions, and respond to those who challenge you by promising more violence.

When I saw that video I wanted to jump through the screen and administer some justice to those thugs. My biggest disappointment was that the students were standing around, refusing to do anything. They should have jumped the thugs, and given them a taste of their own medicine.

It's clear why so many of you don't want armed citizens. If someone in the crowd were carrying, they might have been able to stop this unwarranted torture.

I believe in the RTKABA. I don't exercise it myself, but it may be time to change that. Every citizen has the right to protect themselves from vicious thugs.

Especially vicious thugs in uniform.

Fuck off troll. Have some more red too.

[LAW DOG]

Bigsid IS A TOTAL TROLL YOU COME INTO OUR HOUSE AND START RUNNING YOUR MOUTH. YOU ARE NOT AN LEO AND HEVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE. WHAT'S THE DEAL WHY ARE WE GETTING SO MANY TROLL IS THERE A SIGN POINTING ALL TROLL TO OUR SITE?

[Jackalope]

You know, it's funny. I've lived in the "police state" for 26 years and I've never had an occasion to be brutalized by these "thugs" in uniform. It's almost like obeying the law and obeying lawful orders from the police will keep a person from getting tased.

Hey troll, instead of wasting my time here, why don't you move to a non-police state, like Iran or North Korea?

[bird1]

hey Bigsid how about a nice cup of STFU!!

[BigDawg]

Something tells me that BigSid's idol is Homer Simpson!!

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Not one of you, not one, has even considered the idea that these officers were out of line. Instead you sit here and justify their actions, and respond to those who challenge you by promising more violence.

When I saw that video I wanted to jump through the screen and administer some justice to those thugs. My biggest disappointment was that the students were standing around, refusing to do anything. They should have jumped the thugs, and given them a taste of their own medicine.

It's clear why so many of you don't want armed citizens. If someone in the crowd were carrying, they might have been able to stop this unwarranted torture.

I believe in the RTKABA. I don't exercise it myself, but it may be time to change that. Every citizen has the right to protect themselves from vicious thugs.

Especially vicious thugs in uniform.

thats exactly what you saw...a video. you werent there. you dont know what happened before the incident, you dont know what happened after the incident...you simply viewed a video. anyone can play monday morning quarterback. try suiting up on game day once and a while and im sure your attitude will change.

oh, and where did you learn police tactics again? where did you receive your training in departmental policies and procedures? when and where did you spend 6 months having a use force continuim beat into your head over and over again until you could recite it line for line? im only curious because if you have no formal knowledge and no prior experience your opinion is just that...an opinion based on nothing.

if someone honestly wants to debate whether i feel (based on my training, knowledge, and experience) that i would have handled an incident in a different manner than what was viewed, or if someone possibly wants me to share my thoughts on the actions of other officers based on my experiences, without resorting to threatening me with a .40 cal, then i have no problem indulging in that discussion. the second i hear "thats why i hate you cops, you all..." the discussions over.

so hug my nuts

seacrest....out

[Beans]

Hey Sid, get fucked you retard. I dare you to draw down on this "vicious thug". Can someone please ban this piece of shit now, I am growing tired of him.

[Bigsid]

Hey Sid. Have some red on me ass hole.

oh by the way..
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How do you like that sir?

Thank you for proving my point.

WHAT'S THE DEAL WHY ARE WE GETTING SO MANY TROLL IS THERE A SIGN POINTING ALL TROLL TO OUR SITE?

Yes, actually, there is. At least one I'm aware of, and probably several more. Since you're such brilliant detectives, you shouldn't have any trouble finding it.

A lot of the world is watching your performance in here. And you're presenting us all with such fine, fine examples of calm, competent professionals.

It's almost like obeying the law and obeying lawful orders from the police will keep a person from getting tased.

It didn't in this case. He was leaving, as ordered, but that wasn't enough for the Thugs in Blue.

hey Bigsid how about a nice cup of STFU!!

It's so nice when mature, competent people make their points.

thats exactly what you saw...a video. you werent there. you dont know what happened before the incident, you dont know what happened after the incident...you simply viewed a video.

Ah, someone who actually wants to engage in conversation. What a pleasant surprise. How sad that you're the only one.

You're right, I wasn't there. Neither were you. Neither was anyone else here, but they're all too willing to jump to conclusions. Why shouldn't I have that luxury too?

I have read eyewitness reports. And according to all those reports, the KID WAS LEAVING when the cop grabbed him. He mouthed off, and the thugs responded by tazing him. And then doing it again. And then again. And then again. AND THEN AGAIN.

when and where did you spend 6 months having a use force continuim beat into your head over and over again until you could recite it line for line?

A better question is where were these cops? Or is tazing people over and over and over and over and over again standard police procedure?

or if someone possibly wants me to share my thoughts on the actions of other officers based on my experiences,

You're the only one here who seems to want to talk. The rest are prancing around like schoolyard bullies with a bad case of testosterone poisoning, itching for a fight. So what would you have done in this situation? Would you have grabbed the kid as he was trying to leave? Would you have tazed him for mouthing off? And then tased him again? And again? And again? And once more? Or would you have acted like a professional, trained police officer, realized he posed no threat to anyone, and let him go, cursing him under your breath and, later, over a beer, tell your buddies what you would have liked to do, but were mature and professional enough to resist?

Hey Sid, get fucked you retard. I dare you to draw down on this "vicious thug". Can someone please ban this piece of shit now, I am growing tired of him.

Wow, I make one whole post and you can't handle it. How does someone with a temper as short as yours become a LEO? Although, from what I'm seeing here, that's the norm.

And I'm still waiting for an answer to my question: who were they protecting and serving when they tazed him the first time? The second time? The third time? The fourth time? The fifth time? Please, explain it to me.

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You're the only one here who seems to want to talk. The rest are prancing around like schoolyard bullies with a bad case of testosterone poisoning, itching for a fight. So what would you have done in this situation? Would you have grabbed the kid as he was trying to leave? Would you have tazed him for mouthing off? And then tased him again? And again? And again? And once more? Or would you have acted like a professional, trained police officer, realized he posed no threat to anyone, and let him go, cursing him under your breath and, later, over a beer, tell your buddies what you would have liked to do, but were mature and professional enough to resist?





And I'm still waiting for an answer to my question: who were they protecting and serving when they tazed him the first time? The second time? The third time? The fourth time? The fifth time? Please, explain it to me.

first off, im not personally taser certified. my department is currently using tasers probationally, and a few officers on each shift are certified to carry them. eventually id like to become taser certified, however i initially turned the training down for various reasons that id rather not get into now. that being said, of course i would never tase, spray, or pummel someone just for mouthing off.

whether or not the kid was trying to leave, i dont know. i do know, based on what ive seen on the job, that multiple tasings in one incident are rather common. ive been present when many people have been tased, and ive seen 2 very distinctly different reactions. some people totally surrender and the fight gets taken from them, others get pissed, and continue to fight just as hard and often times harder, causing more tasings to themselves until they obey.

once youve been tased, if you fail to comply with the lawful orders given to you by the officer, expect to get it again until you can get it right. if you are still fighting through a tasing, theres no telling what you are willing to do, or how you will react when we attempt to finally restrain you with our hands.

to answer your questions, if i feel i have enough PC to arrest, and i dont feel im getting your full cooperation, im going to do the maximum i can (while using the minimum amount of force necessary)to get the situation under control.

by the way, my best friends a doctor, that doesnt mean i can perform open heart surgery. sometimes its best to stick with what you know.

[Motorwaycop]

Sid

As a british police officer I have also watched what is available.
I have also seen an eyewitness report in which they describe how the youth did refuse to leave and was not moving until physically assisted.
I can tell you from very many years of experience that the youths protestations were desigred to do one thing. wind up the crowd.
If no one else had been there he would undoubtably have just got up and left.
I can also tell you that much like accident victims, if they can scream, they are the ones you leave. It's the quiet ones you need to be concerned about.
I have dealt with so called passive resistance. It is almost impossible to deal with it without appearing heavy handed.
The use of taser,well, what would you prefer. a good old fashioned beating to gain compliance?
The taser will have a short term effect, leave no lasting injury, no nice photo,s though for the cry of brutality, sorry about that.
If LEO's seem to you to be having a laugh about it, that's what we do because if we didn't we couldn't put up with the shit we are put through every day we go to work just to try and do the right thing.
We will never be able to do right by everyone and will always have to use force at times to gain compliance.
If you don't agree with that then I really don't understand how on earth you think order can be kept. A nice chat and if it gets hard walk away and have a laugh over a beer apparently.
If you think we don't have a right to feel aggrieved come and actually wear the blue for a week or two.

[LAW DOG]

I don't understand why everyone is now an expert on our job. This is turning into another Ronnie king, everyone see's half of the incident and now they are experts. What is with the "peace can't we all get along"? They are against Law Enforcement , and Military. You never hear or read about how the community is angered by an officer or service member dieing, but some pot head loud mouth kid get's tazer and evry liberal around is coming out of the wood-work. In these lines of work we are required to bring people into complience, this country and law & order rely on us fighting from wars to bar-room drunks. What the hell you don't want to do this job but want to bitch piss and moan about this kid being tazer, yes it hurts but it's not that bad he will live and is fine. The loud mouth will get hurt more at some frat party or bar-room fight. Why come onto a LEO web-site to be an ass?

[Doc_Holliday]

Ok, didnt want to be left out of this.....Sid, as best as I can tell from your ramblings you lack the basic common sense God gave a house fly. If you think the LEO's on that tape were "Thugs in Blue" then I fear an intelligent conversation may be lightyears out of your reach, but i am a glutton for punishment so I will try. The biggest problem I have with your arguments are that they are based on a flase premise. The student in question did not comply with basic directions. Therefore, by statute, he is resisting arrest and has opened himself to be dealt with. Have you ever been tazed? I have. Let me assure you of 2 facts that cannot be argued: FIRST--it fucking hurts. SECOND--it doesnt last, and soon after the initial shock, you are more than able to stand and walk, which he continually refused to do. You hear him on the video saying he will go, but the fact is he was talking, not moving. Therefore he was still not complying, and again he opened himself up tp the use of force. You brought up the shooting of the 92 year old woman....what do you know of that? What about the 3 LEO's she shot?? Men who were doing their job, serving a legal warrant. I have 2 kids, 6 and 7. They already know that when a cop tells you to do something, you do it. If you are innocent, there will be plenty of time to prove that. But the badge demands RESPECT. You merely demand pity.

[Five-0]

I have a feeling that this has become a class project for a class or group at ucla. Just a thought.

[121Traffic]

I have a feeling that this has become a class project for a class or group at ucla. Just a thought.

I'm of the same mind. Either that, or some people (from another board) without enough to do AWAY from an internet message board are involved in a concerted effort to stir shit up.

Losers.

[Cst.SB]

I read a story from some Canadians that moved to Singapore a real police state and they loved it!!!

Kids were safe, no messed with their property, you could leave your door unlocked. I don't know, but it sounds rather nice and all these losers that free that basic human rights, include the right to be an asshole to everyone else.

[Terminator]

...some people (from another board) without enough to do AWAY from an internet message board are involved in a concerted effort to stir shit up.

Losers.

I agree. We're best to ignore the irrelevant losers.

[CT209]

BigSid- evidently, you have made up your mind the officers were wrong. A lot of us have decided the officers acted appropriately.

...the thugs in blue
…you thugs
…your fellow thug's
…those thugs.
...the thugs,
...vicious thugs.

But, when you come on a site like this and call officers "thugs", you have to expect a poor response. Next time, instead of continually using the word “thug”, you may want to call us “jack-booted storm troopers”. That has a nice ring to it.

You're job is to deal with assholes.

They did deal with him.

I have been online and participating in forums since the days of 1200 baud modems. I've read and participated in literally tens of thousands of message threads. I had lots of interesting conversations with cops on Genie's A.L.E.R.T (A Law Enforcement Round Table) twenty years ago, well before the internet was widespread.

Well, I guess with that professional background, you are an expert. Gee, maybe you should ask the forum to set up a new section. You can call it “Ask Bigsid”.

I've had, and still have, plenty of friends who are/were cops. Most of the times that I've dealt with police officers myself they've been professional.

The reason you probably haven’t had problems with officers is because you behaved appropriately.

So the people exist to serve the cops, not the other way around? I guess we are living in a police state.

Nope, the US is not a police state….yet. But, I could see it becoming one. It will sad when it happens. But, the day will likely come if people continue to decide what laws they will abide by and which ones they feel they should be able to flaunt.

It's clear why so many of you don't want armed citizens. If someone in the crowd were carrying, they might have been able to stop this unwarranted torture.

I believe in the RTKABA. I don't exercise it myself, but it may be time to change that. Every citizen has the right to protect themselves from vicious thugs.

Very few of us are against armed citizens.

When I saw that video I wanted to jump through the screen and administer some justice to those thugs. My biggest disappointment was that the students were standing around, refusing to do anything. They should have jumped the thugs, and given them a taste of their own medicine.

Now that’s funny. I’m glad to see you at least tried to interject some humor into your post. I can close my eyes and imagine you leaping into your monitor and then doing a "Matrix" thing on the officers. Thanks for the visual. It started to make me think you’re not a total nob.

You mean like cops using a no-knock warrant to break into a 92 year old woman's house in plain clothes and gunning her down when she tries to defend herself?

But, alas, you posted this comment. Sorry, I had to re-label you as a complete nob…which is worse than a total nob. If you spend as much time on the internet as you say you have, you should probably check out other sites. You do yourself a major disservice posting a patently false statement such as this one.

"Pain compliance?" There's some cute Newspeak.

I’ll make a deal with you. When you stop using Newspeak to describe things such as civil disobedience and police state ( which by the way, you use that in the wrong context), we'll stop using Newspeak to describe police tactics.

[BigDawg]

So BigSid police officers doing their job correctly is wrong?? Is this what your saying??

An undercover officer goes to a house and buys drugs from an occupant, then presents the evidence to a judge and gets a valid warrent to return and search the house. Ok so far they are doing there job.

As they execute the warrant, by announcing themselves and entering the house they are met with gun fire. Here is where we must differ in opinion because in my training and my opinion I should have the right to return fire to protect myself and my fellow officers, along with the people in the neighborhood cause who knows where the stray bullets may go.

But let me see if I can figure out your side to this;
When the occupant of the house starts to shoot the officers should first ask that occupant their, age/sex/race/occupation/type of weapon/ drugs no drugs inside/ and anything else pertinent. Then the officers should weigh any and all answers received against a scale to see if they should return fire or not? Is that about right?

If the gentleman that had sold them the drugs was the one shooting, and he got killed would this be any different? Guess I didnt realize there was an age cutoff for selling drugs or for special behaviour when they shoot at cops, my bad.

As for the situation at UCLA, I wasnt there. I too have read many different accounts of what happened. The stories go both ways, some say he was trying to leave and some say he wasnt. Guess it depends on what view you have personally. The video isnt enough for me to make a full determination for me. The initial jolts (1-3) are justified in my opinion, any after that I dont know cause again I wasnt there. The students coming in and crowding the officers, I would have told them to back up of get jolted too. If you see Im not using the word tased, I didnt see any prongs being deployed from the device so he wasnt per-say tased.

I still think the way you came in here and istantly bad mouthing us is completly out of line. And if you didnt expect the response that you got you are more of an idiot than Im thinking.

Further more until you have walked a mile in any of our shoes dont even begin to think you know how to do our job. Dont tell me what my training is or anything else till you have been there. Just like I wouldnt go into some corporation and tell them how to do there job, or a banker, or anyone else. When you see and deal with what we do day in and day out so you can have as good of a day as possible dont second guess me buddy. I will say there are a few, mighty few, bad cops out there. But by population, there are more corrupt and illegal and immoral priests out there than there are cops, so get off my back!

[gozling]

no pitty here...
that kid got what was long coming.

and im not wasting my time with defending that statement