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    Actually did you know that by population, there are more corrupt, crooked, law breaking Priests in this country than cops?? The percentage of Priests that are pedophiles and corrupt is larger by population than cops. Guess we should give up on religion too huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg3533 View Post
    But the way you worded that thread, and saying its not a conspiracy theory, you make it sound like its wide spread. To list this as one of the THREE reasons why the war wont end, also suggest that its wide spread.

    Again prove its wide spread or apologize sir. You have insulted me, my brothers, and my profession.
    By saying it is not a conspiracy theory, I simply meant my allegations are true. I then provided a link to a real life example of a good chunk of a Sheriff's office that was corrupt, including the Sheriff.

    I don't claim to know how widespread it is, you are the one suggesting I did claim that. I didn't. Sorry if you misread or I miscommunicated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg3533 View Post
    Actually did you know that by population, there are more corrupt, crooked, law breaking Priests in this country than cops?? The percentage of Priests that are pedophiles and corrupt is larger by population than cops. Guess we should give up on religion too huh?
    Well, I *am* an atheist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTL_Ian View Post
    Please don't put words in my mouth. I said corrupt cops have a financial interest in continuing the drug war. I did not label all cops as corrupt, that would be ludicrous!
    You don't have to say it to mean it. Keep in mind that bad cops have a negative affect on good cops. With this in mind, the good cops still have to put on the uniform and face the public daily. Have you ever looked at yourself in the mirror? If so, who do you see? It's so easy for you to criticize and condemn. Just out of curiosity, have you ever broken the law? Better yet, have you ever done time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimebytes2 View Post
    Just out of curiosity, have you ever broken the law? Better yet, have you ever done time?
    To the former, but of course, doesn't everyone?

    To the latter, thankfully no. I can only imagine how jaded and cynical I'd be then.
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    Alright, why was this thread placed in the Holding Cell? Was it not a legitimate question?
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    Maybe I just read into it. But when something is listed as one fo three reasons. Then in another thread it is again mentioned in another way, it suggest to me that it is a wide spread problem. Ill see how others take the comments then.

    And thanks for the Athiest remark, it atleast made me smile.

    I just dont enjoy being told that my profession and co workers are corrupt. I take great pride in what I do and how I do it. I cant count how many people tha I have seen years after Ive arrested them that have shook my hand for the way I treated them. I even had a gentleman who myself and another cop had to literally fight one night who went to jail for Cocaine charges. He ran his mouth in jail and got beat up and had to have his jaw wired shut. He then got three years in prison for the drug charges. A year after he got out I saw him on the streets and he shook my hand and thanked me. Told me that if it wasnt for me he would probably be dead right now because of drugs. Both doing them and dealing them. That means alot to me, because of me doing my job I was able to change someone s life around. And as you can see I dont like someone who knows very little of what I do telling me the majority of us, or alot of us, or what ever, is corrupt.

    When I find another officer breaking the law, I believe they should be punished severly, sometimes there punishment should be more than that of a regular person, because they know better. And if you know of corrupt officers out there then turn them in. They shouldnt have a badge on. If you allow them to continue then your just as guilty as they are, and shame on you sir.

    Again if I was out of line in any way then I offer my apologise to you, im man enough to admit if I make a mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg3533 View Post
    When I find another officer breaking the law, I believe they should be punished severly, sometimes there punishment should be more than that of a regular person, because they know better.
    I totally agree.

    And if you know of corrupt officers out there then turn them in. They shouldnt have a badge on. If you allow them to continue then your just as guilty as they are, and shame on you sir.
    Surely you can understand my fear of naming names. It's the same fear that many officers who discover corruption have: Retaliation. These corrupt Sheriffs have a lot of illicit money on the line. They are willing to do some nasty things to people who threaten their positions of power.

    Besides, all I have are allegations from credible sources. No hard evidence.
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    Let's just say certain Sheriffs in counties with ports and borders stand to make a LOT of money...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTL_Ian View Post
    Alright, why was this thread placed in the Holding Cell? Was it not a legitimate question?
    I'm gonna leave it to the big boys to explain this one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTL_Ian View Post
    To the former, but of course, doesn't everyone?
    So why do you condemn?

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    Yes but that doesnt mean they all do. Or a large majority do even.


    What percentage of LEO do you think are corrupt??

    and how do you think that relates to other professions??

    Just curious is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTL_Ian View Post
    Alright, why was this thread placed in the Holding Cell? Was it not a legitimate question?
    Because; and it wasn't me. Damn.
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    [QUOTE=Rhino;127244]
    Many studies have shown that in many young adults, the brain is still developing as far as your mid-20s.QUOTE]

    And some of the folks who post here it stopped at about 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1sgkelly View Post
    Because; and it wasn't me. Damn.
    Short and sweet! Gotta love 'em!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimebytes2 View Post
    So why do you condemn?
    Condemn who?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg3533 View Post
    Yes but that doesnt mean they all do. Or a large majority do even.

    What percentage of LEO do you think are corrupt??
    That would be pure speculation. I have no idea.

    and how do you think that relates to other professions??

    Just curious is all.
    Doesn't matter. Police corruption would be virtually nonexistent if we would just end the source of corruption: The War on Drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTL_Ian View Post
    Read about the consequences of alcohol prohibition. Documented and real. The consequences of prohibition apply regardless of the item prohibited.



    They will certainly not like it. This is one of the reasons why ending prohibition is so hard. There are three groups with vested interests in keeping it around:

    1. The gangsters. They certainly don't want their obscene profits going away.

    2. The DEA. They don't want their cushy jobs going away.

    3. The other criminal profiteers like corrupt Sheriffs (you know who you are!) and corrupt cops. They don't want their ability to steal and resell drugs to go away. I'd include the politicians here, but they don't count as humans.



    Presumption. Legalizing drugs will not increase demand for kiddie porn, and the black market cannot create demand for that product, only supply it.
    I agree with the politician comment

    I also agree that there is corruption, just like there are bad ones in every field. (Including radio talk shows ) But I don't believe it's as "organized" as you have posed. (Oh boy I cannot wait for my cushy job, I better get a really nice chair!) I have watched tons and tons of drugs that have been seized be incinerated. I also am not naive enough to expect that every ounce that is seized everywhere is disposed of "properly".

    As for presumption, it's not so much the supply and demand thing with me, it's more common sense. Take billions away from criminals, there will be consequences, huge ones.

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    Ian,
    I truely wished I could see the world through the rose colored glasses you do. But I also believe that if you take away one source of income they will find another illegal way of making money. Maybe even find another black market drug or something, I dont know Because I cant predict the future.


    I also wish that people (society) was responsible enough to "police" itself so we wouldnt need alot of the laws we have. But just looking at law suits in this country and you get an idea of the idiots we have running around. Read warning labels on some products and you get an idea of the type of people we have. And you expect them to make their own decisions, and be productive in society. It just wont ever happen.

    I would predict that if you did away with all the rules, regulations, and laws that you (Libertarians) wanted to today. In less that 20yrs we would have a government just as large as it is today. Might not be the same laws, but it would be as big, and with just as many laws as today. Because of idiots that are out there. Maybe Im cynical but I see them, along with the members of society that isnt an idiot but has made bad decisions and now they are having to deal with the repercusions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTL_Ian View Post
    Condemn who?
    Oh, good grief! Are you really this stupid? According to my Encarta Dictionary: English (North America), the word condem means, "... to judge that a person or thing is to blame for something... to state that something or somebody is in some way wrong or unacceptable." You have been condemning the LEO's of this site from the beginning. You, Ian, are guilty of condemnation! Deny that why don't you!

 

 
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