What type of Self Defense skills are taught to officers?

**SupremeEye** · 09-06-07, 11:08 AM

Every single time I see a vid of a cop fighting with a suspect the cop is always getting his/her ass kicked. Now I know that some can throw hands yet it seems like the majority can't. I know there are plenty more cases all across the country that we don't see/hear about.

Now Im not just basing this off of videos because I know people who have seen cops get whooped on way back in the day. Im talking about in the 60's, 70's and up until now.

So what type of fighting skills are taught?

Why isn't Muay Thai taught for the stand-up and BJJ taught for the ground game?

What about Kali or Eskrima since batons are used?

I just want to know.

**Ducky** · 09-06-07, 11:14 AM

Offhand, I'd say join the academy and find out.

**Beans** · 09-06-07, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by SupremeEye

Every single time I see a vid of a cop fighting with a suspect the cop is always getting his/her ass kicked. Now I know that some can throw hands yet it seems like the majority can't. I know there are plenty more cases all across the country that we don't see/hear about.

Now Im not just basing this off of videos because I know people who have seen cops get whooped on way back in the day. Im talking about in the 60's, 70's and up until now.

So what type of fighting skills are taught?

Why isn't Muay Thai taught for the stand-up and BJJ taught for the ground game?

What about Kali or Eskrima since batons are used?

I just want to know.

Why do you want to know, you like seeing cops get beat up?

**SupremeEye** · 09-06-07, 11:15 AM

Now these vids in no way represent all of law enforcement, Yet you can clearly see how MT or BJJ would have changed the situation

Wow, inside of a station c'mon now
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cUmX82EihT4

Yikes
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MsPrWXU2ifE

No one even helped
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zGMgCk7Y5Ok

BJJ would have worked in this fight
http://youtube.com/watch?v=21CUmU01Nv8

Just digusting
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kL1tPpGeAoc

Wow
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EiMOKXYCZMw

**SupremeEye** · 09-06-07, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Beans

Why do you want to know, you like seeing cops get beat up?

Simply because what I see is a shame.

If I liked seeing cops get beat up, would I have suggested Muay Thai or BJJ be taught?

**Buttercup** · 09-06-07, 11:19 AM

Oh boy.

**SupremeEye** · 09-06-07, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Ducky

Offhand, I'd say join the academy and find out.

Im currently in background with Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

**Beans** · 09-06-07, 11:20 AM

Well if you are such a tough guy, become a cop and get out there. I will not second guess officers actions.

**SupremeEye** · 09-06-07, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Beans

Well if you are such a tough guy, become a cop and get out there. I will not second guess officers actions.

Why are you getting emotional?

I asked a simple question on what type of skills are taught, and you want to cop an attitude.

And where Did I say that I was a tough guy?

Where did I say that I "WOULD HAVE DONE THIS AND THAT"?

Show me where since you want to make assumptions.

**Beans** · 09-06-07, 11:25 AM

Looked to me that you were fishing for a fight and trying to stir us up with videos of officers getting hurt. If you are sincere then I apologize.

**SupremeEye** · 09-06-07, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Beans

Looked to me that you were fishing for a fight and trying to stir us up with videos of officers getting hurt. If you are sincere then I apologize.

I wanted to know what is taught since I see too many vids of cops getting beat.

Honestly in many of those fights some knowledge of BJJ and MT would have helped.

Pepper spray isn't always going to work nor is your gun, nor will the baton always work.

So sometimes you will have to throw hands.

**SupremeEye** · 09-06-07, 11:33 AM

Plus also if MT, BJJ and Eskrima are taught to officers or at least the basics of each discipline, many officers won't have to draw their gun.

**Pudge** · 09-06-07, 11:50 AM

Supreme,

What you have run up against is that you will not find officers discussing tactics or lack thereof in a public forum for the world to see.

Unfortunately there are officers out there who have subpar DT skills. This could be due to poor continuing training, mindset, etc. However it's common practice NOT to second guess an officer's decisions or abilities unless we were there. Often times videos are edited to see only what the editor wants someone to see. So unless a person is there for the entire situation, it's really not fair to form an opinion.

The concept of your post is fine, however in the future I ask that you put some more thought into how you phrase things or the response you may illicit. Best of luck in the background process.

**10-42Adam** · 09-06-07, 11:53 AM

Are you some sort of MT and BJJ salesman or something? You've mentioned it in just about all of your posts so far.

Look, nobody on LEF likes seeing videos like that so if you're going to post them with the little comments that you added above them, you're going to stir up some shit. Not every Officer out there is a pro boxer or fighter. It just so happens that a few of them ended up on the internet.

All academies have some sort of self-defense portion, it's just that some go into more depth than others. That's why a lot of Officers also train in some sort of self-defense technique outside of work.

For somebody who claims to be in the background investigation for an agency and wants to be a cop, you sure do seem cold hearted when it comes to watching your boys in blue get shaken up.

**SupremeEye** · 09-06-07, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Pudge113

Supreme,

What you have run up against is that you will not find officers discussing tactics or lack thereof in a public forum for the world to see.

Unfortunately there are officers out there who have subpar DT skills. This could be due to poor continuing training, mindset, etc. However it's common practice NOT to second guess an officer's decisions or abilities unless we were there. Often times videos are edited to see only what the editor wants someone to see. So unless a person is there for the entire situation, it's really not fair to form an opinion.

The concept of your post is fine, however in the future I ask that you put some more thought into how you phrase things or the response you may illicit. Best of luck in the background process.

Fair enough

Yet some disciplines would benefit LE greatly.

As long as it's not TKD or the million forms of karate styles that are taught in the 50 billion dojo's here in every city.

**Pudge** · 09-06-07, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by SupremeEye

Fair enough

Yet some disciplines would benefit LE greatly.

As long as it's not TKD or the million forms of karate styles that are taught in the 50 billion dojo's here in every city.

I agree and can say that many officers do train in other arts aside from the basic teachings in the academy.

**SupremeEye** · 09-06-07, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by 10-42Adam

For somebody who claims to be in the background investigation for an agency and wants to be a cop, you sure do seem cold hearted when it comes to watching your boys in blue get shaken up.

Claim???

Why would I make up a story about being in Background?

It's not like im saying im a Delta operator or Navy SEAL with countless missions, c'mon now.

Im not cold hearted it's the simple fact that it disturbs me to the point where I have to ask.

Nobody can deny the fact that MT and BJJ would have made a significant difference in these fights.

I say these two styles simple because they are two of the most street effective styles along with Krav maga, Kali and a few others.

**SupremeEye** · 09-06-07, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Pudge113

I agree and can say that many officers do train in other arts aside from the basic teachings in the academy.

Good thats good.

At least somebody understands what Im saying.

Maybe it was phrased wrong but it wasn't hard to understand my point.

**Pudge** · 09-06-07, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by SupremeEye

Nobody can deny the fact that MT and BJJ would have made a significant difference in these fights.

And you sir are not qualified to make that statement as again, you were not there. You will learn if you get on the job that there are many factors that determine use of force. From the video you cannot accurately determine the ability of the fighter, the physical condition, etc. For a person so well versed in the martial arts you of all people should know to never underestimate your opponent.

**10-42Adam** · 09-06-07, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by SupremeEye

Claim???

Why would I make up a story about being in Background?

Im not cold hearted it's the simple fact that it disturbs me to the point where I have to ask.

Nobody can deny the fact that MT and BJJ would have made a significant difference in these fights.

I say these two styles simple because they are two of the most street effective styles along with Krav maga, Kali and a few others.

Don't get offended that I used the word "claim." It's not that I don't believe you, but you have to take into account that I have no idea who you are and people come onto different police forums and claim to be people they're not all the time.

I do agree that training in some sort of MMA will obviously help out anyone. I train in it to better prepare myself for situations that I might experience someday and I learn from every one I already have gone through.