Citation without observation

**dt1872005** · 05-23-06, 04:50 PM

Hello everyone, I'm new here and I'm sure this is a repost.

I got a ticket for passing in the HOV lane. The officer did not see me pass anyone - a car stopped and told him that I did then he caught up to me and gave me a ticket. He was a real jerk about it too. First words out of his mouth were "Do you always pass in the HOV lane?". I refused to answer and he got mad and threatened to tow my vehicle and put me in jail.

I'm a safe driver and haven't gotten any tickets in about 5-6 years. Personally I think this is BS. This means that anyone can stop a cop and tell them that you did something and you get a ticket for it????

PS - I'm in Texas

**MisterK** · 05-23-06, 04:59 PM

Did you pass in the HOV lane?

**sflcop** · 05-23-06, 05:02 PM

Not sure about where you are, but in FL a citation will not hold up in court unless we witness the violation. For example... we have a department policy that states we will write citations for the person found to be at fault in an accident. (i.e. witness said you ran the red light) in court the judge will ask the officer if he/she witnessed the violation. As soon as they say no, the citation is dismissed.

**Pedro56** · 05-23-06, 05:03 PM

Either way, at least up here it works like this, a witness has to sign the ticket and when the officer goes to court the judge will toss it if the witness isn't there. I would only pull someone over that a "hand waiver" pointed out to me if it involved the dude being reckelss or drunk.

FishTail · 05-23-06, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by dt1872005

Hello everyone, I'm new here and I'm sure this is a repost.

I got a ticket for passing in the HOV lane. The officer did not see me pass anyone - a car stopped and told him that I did then he caught up to me and gave me a ticket. He was a real jerk about it too. First words out of his mouth were "Do you always pass in the HOV lane?". I refused to answer and he got mad and threatened to tow my vehicle and put me in jail.

I'm a safe driver and haven't gotten any tickets in about 5-6 years. Personally I think this is BS. This means that anyone can stop a cop and tell them that you did something and you get a ticket for it????

PS - I'm in Texas

Asking questions is fine. Mouthing off about cops isn't. Do it again and I will ban you.

**nitestokker** · 05-23-06, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by LongTail

Asking questions is fine. Mouthing off about cops isn't. Do it again and I will ban you.

Sounds like a troll to me. I'm with LT!

**121Traffic** · 05-23-06, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by dt1872005

Hello everyone, I'm new here and I'm sure this is a repost.

I got a ticket for passing in the HOV lane. The officer did not see me pass anyone - a car stopped and told him that I did then he caught up to me and gave me a ticket. He was a real jerk about it too. First words out of his mouth were "Do you always pass in the HOV lane?". I refused to answer and he got mad and threatened to tow my vehicle and put me in jail.

I'm a safe driver and haven't gotten any tickets in about 5-6 years. Personally I think this is BS. This means that anyone can stop a cop and tell them that you did something and you get a ticket for it????

PS - I'm in Texas

I don't necessarily have to witness a crime to charge someone. I very rarely, in fact, witness crime, but charge people all the time. A signed witness statement is about all the probable cause I need at the minimum...if they're lying, then it's their ass for false reporting or perjury.

That being said, giving someone a traffic citation in that manner isn't the smartest, but it is possible. On the other hand, I get reports of drunk drivers all the time. As long as the complainant is actively following, and agrees to stick around so we can chat, I won't wait for PC to make the stop, because I can rely on a statement from the complainant as to why I stopped the driver.

**Beans** · 05-23-06, 08:15 PM

Go whine somewhere else. I am sure there is more to this than you are telling. LT save us the headaches and ban the troll now.

FishTail · 05-23-06, 09:23 PM

He's been locked in here. Open season, no bag limit

**Crimebytes2** · 05-23-06, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by dt1872005

Hello everyone, I'm new here and

New? Not exactly...

Originally Posted by dt1872005

and I'm sure this is a repost.

Dead give away!

FishTail · 05-23-06, 09:45 PM

I'm also 98% certain he's not in Texas

**nitestokker** · 05-24-06, 12:30 AM

Read my sig, bitch. you just got searched!

**Five-0** · 05-24-06, 01:09 AM

Guys this guy is a troll. He is not from Texas, and he didn't get a citation for passing in the HOV lane. He's really from Commifornia and he got a non-traffic citation for selling candy without a business license. Don't believe me I have the pic to prove it.

FishTail · 05-24-06, 01:12 AM

Sweet

**copiceman15601** · 05-24-06, 09:00 AM

"i broke the law and got in trouble for it, but that damn cop who caugt me was a jerk". WWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH. God I hate people like that. Hey dickhead, you F-ed it up, how bout owning up and taking some responsibility. Smackoff.

**Beans** · 05-24-06, 09:16 AM

Yup, definitly a troll, never even came back to follow up his stupid question. Just wanted to stir the pot and leave.

**dt1872005** · 05-24-06, 09:17 AM

What the heck is going on in here? All I did was ask for a few opinions on something that happened to me and I get called names and insulted??? I hope some of you guys aren't really law enforcement.

BTW - I didn't mouth off to that police officer that day, all I did was refuse to answer his trick question.

**dt1872005** · 05-24-06, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by copiceman15601

"i broke the law and got in trouble for it, but that damn cop who caugt me was a jerk". WWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH. God I hate people like that. Hey dickhead, you F-ed it up, how bout owning up and taking some responsibility. Smackoff.

... and you're a police officer??? There are two policemen and three firemen (terrific guys) that live on my street and none of them have this attitude.

**dt1872005** · 05-24-06, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by LongTail

I'm also 98% certain he's not in Texas

And how is that? Check my IP address and you'll be 100% wrong.

EDIT: I take that back - I'm posting this from work. Our enterprise domain is in CA so it'll probably show Mountain View, CA. I'll post from home tonight and prove you wrong.