What do you think of the draft?

**TheOldRhino** · 12-10-06, 09:49 AM

Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state. -Thomas Jefferson

**depusm12** · 12-10-06, 10:12 AM

I agree with some kind of mandatory service whether it's military, peace corps, or red cross or some other type of service. Yes I did serve 13 1/2 yrs in the Navy. I enjoyed every minute of it too. Made a lot of good friends and had some fantastic experiences.

**bmf95b** · 12-10-06, 04:42 PM

The best memory I have of being in the army is Hungarian TRIM. MMMMMMMMMM....

**121Traffic** · 12-10-06, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by armygrnt502

Having served 7 years in the Army, I had the pleasure of serving with soldiers from different countries and lifestyles.

I dont support a draft. As many have mentioned above, it may fill the ranks, but the quality of soldier/sailor/airmen is usually below par.

I do support mandatory service however. Like many European countries (not saying we should be like them), they have mandatory state service. This is not always military service mind you. Military is an option, but if you choose another route, then you have agencies such as the Red Cross that you can work for. This allows those with moral convictions against war to still serve and fullfill their obligations.

This system has been in effect for numerous countries for decades. We as Americans are loathe to impress this upon our peoples, for fear of stepping on their "rights". Just because you are born here should not automatically grant you privledges lock stock and barrel.

+1 There's all kinds you can do to serve your country besides the military. If you don't want to fight, that is perfectly acceptable, but you are going to work one way or another.

**FTL_Ian** · 12-27-06, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by AITG

Freedom isn't free. FTL_Ian obviously enjoys the benefits of that freedom. Asking him ... and all citizens ... to do their part to keep our freedoms isn't being enslaved.

Problem is you wouldn't be asking. Conscription is FORCING. That's not very neighborly.

**FTL_Ian** · 12-27-06, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by trooper_hopeful_51

FTL_Ian just doesn't understand...he thinks his citezenship is a birthright, and that simply because he was born on American soil he is entitled.

I don't want entitlements. You must have me confused with a welfare queen.

IE the right to vote, the right to bring suits in federal and local courts, the right to bloated social programs such as social security and such?

Better to ask how I became a citizen in the first place. As it turns out, the entire concept is merely a fantasy:

Citizen: member of a state or nation who owes allegiance to its government and is entitled to its protection

The supreme court has decided over and over that government doesn't owe protection to anyone. Therefore the "agreement" (which I never signed anyway) is null and void. There are no citizens, just the rulers and the ruled.

Why should those who think so little of our country, like FTL_Ian, be able to reap such great rewards?

I love America and what it stands for: Liberty. I just hate what the people have allowed the government to do to it.

**FTL_Ian** · 12-27-06, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by bird1

compulsory service on the other hand is a good idea maybe 1 year or 2 years tops. that way everyone knows the price of freedom.

They'd discover the price of freedom is 2 years of slavery!

im pretty sure while Ftl_Ian was in college applying for his goverment student loans he didnt bad mouth his goverment then... I think if you apply for any kind of goverment student loan you have to repay it with some type of service.

I don't go to the government for anything. They can keep the money they've stolen from me. I don't ask highwaymen for favors.

when you are nice and safe in your radio booth bad mouthing the goverment remember that there are folks out there dying so you can have that right. i proudly served my ten years in the military where were you Ftl_Ian ?

I would have been a kid being indoctrinated by government schools at the time. Also, men have rights by birth and the US Military does not fight for rights, they fight for the whims of politicians - most of whom have never been in the military. Here are the thoughts of a Vietnam vet on the subject:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reed/reed116.html

**CountyFourteen** · 12-27-06, 10:28 AM

I think if ian was drafted it would be a good idea.....if he got out of it, it would be a bad idea..........

**HardNoseBull** · 01-05-07, 07:30 PM

ok here goes, i don't support the draft, i think if the USA does that, we will have to put walls up around Canada to keep all the dodgers out, it would be like tme Mexicans trying to get into the states and giant taco bell commercial"make a run for the border". As fo mandatory service I agree with Sgtkelly, to me it means service to your country-garbage man,working at homeless shelters, seniors complexes.Any govt(state,county.municipal,fe d) job that helps better society or keep it on a even keel. Most kids graduated high school at 18(unless your in the south and then they just don;t,lolol, just kidding) so let thek serve their country for a year get some valuable life experiance and then head off to college. It's amazing what 1 year can do for maturity. Also if they want to serve by going into EMS,LEO/CO, any essential service then they should get a break from it as they are making it a career. So if they graduate high school and get hired into essential service obviousley they are serving there country.

**zone4_car** · 01-05-07, 10:35 PM

Im totally against the draft. But I think just as some others here do that there should be mandatory service for everyone when they turn 18. I believe it would give structure and discipline to these dumbass teenagers we constantly deal with. My wife is totally againist my son going into the military. Me, I think Ill leave that decision to him.

**Piggybank Cop** · 01-05-07, 11:22 PM

There is always Canada; please.

**bmf95b** · 01-07-07, 03:59 AM

I see it's still going...

**bmf95b** · 01-07-07, 04:00 AM

When I was serving in IRAQ a fellow NCO said that sometimes he wished he was in the NAVY, "SUBMARINES." Although I bet being under water really sucks at times too.

**General Patten** · 01-07-07, 05:17 AM

mandatory community service of some sort would be fine, especially if one could choose what type of work to do, but mandatory military service... only in the event of a world war (or major attack against the US) would that seem appropriate to me...

**bmf95b** · 01-08-07, 02:30 AM

General Patten turning green, Someone pissed in his canten.

**PersiusOne** · 01-08-07, 06:09 AM

I agree with mandatory state service, but not a lottery style draft for military service.

AND since nobody else is going to bring it up, I'm going to throw this one in the grinder: Immigration preference for those who serve first? ..Sweet, problem solved.

I can think of about 11 million people who just may be willing to earn their citizenship.

...But really - I still think everyone should serve in one capacity or another. This country is founded on hard work, and like many people have said - freedom is not free, far from free.

I suppose the question becomes - if an all voluntary military is too full of "ethnic minorities and people from low income families", would a draft be the answer? ...I'm all for finding out