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    850+ agents!!! Whow - imagine the number of News Conferences they can now have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bayern View Post
    850+ agents!!! Whow - imagine the number of News Conferences they can now have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXCharlie View Post
    I don't like the FBI because they won't hire any agents over 39 years old (or whatever the cutoff is), regardless of previous LE experience, supposedly because of their damn retirement program, which is the flimsiest excuse I've ever heard of. I think that includes all the sworn desk investigative jobs too. About the only workers they don't discriminate against are civilian contractors.

    If a private company practiced that level of age descrimination for such a correctable detail as retirement policy, and flatly refused to accomidate employees over an arbitrary cutoff date (even those in top physical condition with decades of LE experience), then the officers of that company would all be in jail and fined till they bled.

    So it seems that we all have our own reasons to hate the FBI.
    That's almost all federal law enforcement, and the cutoff is 37. Some agencies very rarely will fight through a waiver, or so I've heard. I think a couple of the federal police agencies that are more security guard than police are exempted, but I'm not certain. And I don't think they fall under the executive branch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg View Post
    So the First Bunch of Idiots are hiring huh???? Good luck with that.
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    I worked with several Feds (Marshals, ATF, FBI) during the church burnings a couple of years back, and even the other Feds hate the FBI guys. You really have to work along side them to get the full effect of their arrogance and ability to belittle you.

    But of course there are a FEW who will do whatever they can to help you out, but that, in my experience is much more the exception than the rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIESEL326 View Post
    I worked with several Feds (Marshals, ATF, FBI) during the church burnings a couple of years back, and even the other Feds hate the FBI guys. You really have to work along side them to get the full effect of their arrogance and ability to belittle you.

    But of course there are a FEW who will do whatever they can to help you out, but that, in my experience is much more the exception than the rule.
    Niail on the head , Diesel. I too have had the pleasure of working with several Federal law enforcement agencies. U.S. Marshals , ATF, Customs , Secret Service, Border Patrol among others. Nothing but praise for them. FBI is a different animal. They must have a class that lasts a week in the FBI academy on being an asshole. Your right , there are a few FBI special agents out there that are cops at heart and not media whores. They are usually agents with prior law enforcement experience at other agencies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    They are usually agents with prior law enforcement experience at other agencies.
    That is the part that makes the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    You ever work with the FBI or should I say "for" the FBI because no one works with them.
    That's not true, it's the otherway around... a lot of us have worked with the FBI but the FBI doesn't work WITH anybody else.
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    I was at an FBI briefing by this arrogant SOB a while ago, and he asked everyone to turn off their phones prior to the start. About midway through a phone started ringing quietly, and I could tell he was boiling inside. He calmly, but clearly angrily, asked that the phone be silenced. It range again, and it was becoming clear where the sound was coming from. His jacket.

    The apology and bumbling for the offending phone were my favorite part of the talk.

    However, some of the younger folks coming out of the academy are much more open to collaboration, information sharing, and getting the job done. Maybe the video-game generation has learned something about teamwork while playing Halo?

    As far as the job site for FBI... still a mess. It has been a wreck for years, and they finally overhaul it almost a decade after 9/11?

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    I have had the same experience with FBI elitism. I would bash the FBI supervisors before the street agents, the poisinous tree flourishes in their supervisory ranks.

    A few experiences:
    1) trying to refer an interstate wire fraiud case. Finally found an FBI agent who was a State Trooper who wou;d take it the rest of the way.
    2) Playing alphabet soup in a FBI vs 3 other Fed Agencies turf war.
    3) Having a case stolen at the press conference,. My boss did not notice, his nose was so far up the SAC's butt, he could see the Potomac River.
    4) Standing in line at a funeral last week with 3 FBI types ahead of me. Talking of an internal employee disciplinary matter that was loud enough... if I wore a wire. The man in the middle was "SIR" and yes he just came in from DC. He talked and the other two geniuflected. The clothing (uniforms) was sufficient for reasonable suspicion. I looked like I jusrt wandered offf the freeway with a cart and cardboard sign. Hell I coulda been from the local newspaper... duh....?

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    1) Worked on a racketeering case with a local FBI Agevt. His was a good guy, and his boss didnt interfere.
    2) Seated next to a new FBI Agent on a commuter cxommercial flight. I commented on the crummy holster he had. After the conversation warmed up, he asked me how to warm up a cool reception with locals. I told him he was doing just fine, ask questions, and admit he was not perfect, and be yourself. He asked a lot of good questons... A free-thinker with good potential. I wish him well. He might now be in Swamp Mafia lland..
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    I heard that they had thousands of applications for the openings, anyone else hear this??
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg View Post
    I heard that they had thousands of applications for the openings, anyone else hear this??
    All the losers who bragged about becoming feebies in their police oral boards and didn't get hired, have to work somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cidp24 View Post
    They have been known to "Assist" in an operation, then claim the credit if it goes good and blame the locals if it goes bad "We were only assisting local law enforcement".
    Yep. In this story, the FBI asked our officers on scene to detain them until the FBI agents could get there to question them. Then, they placed the blame on our officers after the lawsuit was filed.

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    FBI I think would be cool..if you had the mindset that you're not the best nor are you better than anyone else. ...however for me, I'm more of a arrive on scene, run after the BG and cuff em. FBI seems more like, push papers, investigate, put on a vest, arrest some low lifes, then push papers again??


    ...now if the US Marshals were hiring.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamdude04 View Post
    FBI I think would be cool..if you had the mindset that you're not the best nor are you better than anyone else. ...however for me, I'm more of a arrive on scene, run after the BG and cuff em. FBI seems more like, push papers, investigate, put on a vest, arrest some low lifes, then push papers again??


    ...now if the US Marshals were hiring.........
    You're getting your image of both agencies from TV.

    Neither is completely accurate. A whole lot (if not most) of the Deputy US Marshalls are involved in prisoner transport and federal court security. Fugitive hunters are small subset. And lots of FBI agents never use their cuffs after the academy. A lot depends on what they're assigned to for investigations.

    I'm also afraid that you're getting your image of policework from TV, too. Even Third Watch and Adam 12 didn't really show paperwork, for example, despite being fairly reasonable representations of the job, overall.

    Contact your local FBI field office; I'm pretty confident that they'll have an agent or two available to talk to you, if you go through reasonable steps of making an appointment. If you're interested in the Marshall Service, do the same with them. And do some ride-alongs with the various law enforcement agencies in your area. Try to hit agencies of different sizes; my "day-to-day" in patrol in a smallish, suburban town is different from Xiphos's experience in another part of my state -- which is different from someone in a big city like New York or LA.
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    Six years ago we arrested a guy who was part of a "organization" who had defrauded a national bank chain out of $2,000,000 dollars (est.). It was believed by the bank security people that the suspect I dealt with had personally taken the chain for somewhere around $300,000. I had security camera footage of him in different branch offices in Florida, Texas, Georgia and Arizona.

    I'd like to say we caught him through brillant police work, but truth be told when he walked into the branch office in my town the teller he walked up to had seen his photo earlier that morning during a briefing by security and recognized him. She stalled, we were very close to the bank and he gave up (peacefully) when we got there.

    Anyway I called the F.B.I. thinking that they would take it for certain. After all this guy was actually a pretty smart criminal who was part of a very sophisticated operation operating across the United States. Right? Just screams Federal right? I figured they would take the case from us small town hick cops in a second.

    Wrong. They questioned him and told us it was ours. Why? Beats me they wouldn't tell us. Guess we weren't cleared up to the Secret Ninja Squirrel level. Unreal. We sent him to prison for five years. He's out now.

    I'm not impressed with the F.B.I. I've met a couple who were okay. But most left me cold.

 

 
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