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    Coming to a street near you

    Standard Dave,speaking of your Dont run from this cop thread,this is sickening,and to be honest were this(clip below),to happen here(U.S.) I am quite sure you would see why the police here are armed to the tooth.

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    I was waiting for the Bobbies to do something, anything to stop the crowd.

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    Pretty embarrassing for the London Police if you ask me...
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    Bring in the mounties. This seems to be a concistent thing in the last few months. French students rioting in Paris, these guys in London... I wonder if the fact that so much of these countries population is Arabic, keeps the cops too politically correct. Did go too far though.

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    The day that my department forces me to withstand repeated threats and assaults of that magnitude without allowing (and supporting) my quick, vigorous, and decisive response, is the day that I lay my badge down and accept whatever warrants they issue for my actions.

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    This is why US Police armed, Bobbies.

    You wouldn't see shit like that here.
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    Some perspective required.

    The first officers are not in public order gear. i.e riot gear. The protest up to that point was peacefull.
    The officers fall back towards a position of strength, a good idea when outnumbered I think.
    They don't get drawn in and isolated but react as a unit.
    Whenever a protester actually gets hands on an officer they quite clearly get "twatted"
    It really does not matter what they are saying its all bravado and quite frankly meaningless in this situation. The comments are magnified by the speakers proximity to the microphone and not in truth audible to anyone other than the two or three people around him.
    What they don't show is what happens when the protesters meet the police stand point where the riot equipped officers are in strength.
    This is a small segment of a day when the police did not lose control, no one including protesters were killed(Martyrd!) and there weren't worldwide media condemnations of the police.
    Things are also a bit more subtle and I am sure that as a result of evidence gathering teams, our own video squads, various doors were or will be kicked in, in the early hours.
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    Yeah, I could only watch about 30 seconds of that.... Not happening.

    If all officers on scene (primarily the first there) were equipped with proper gear, that's getting de-escalated from earlier on.

    It's inevitible the way the world is going, European cops will be better armed sooner than later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorwaycop View Post
    Some perspective required.

    The first officers are not in public order gear. i.e riot gear. The protest up to that point was peacefull.
    The officers fall back towards a position of strength, a good idea when outnumbered I think.
    They don't get drawn in and isolated but react as a unit.
    Whenever a protester actually gets hands on an officer they quite clearly get "twatted"
    It really does not matter what they are saying its all bravado and quite frankly meaningless in this situation. The comments are magnified by the speakers proximity to the microphone and not in truth audible to anyone other than the two or three people around him.
    What they don't show is what happens when the protesters meet the police stand point where the riot equipped officers are in strength.
    This is a small segment of a day when the police did not lose control, no one including protesters were killed(Martyrd!) and there weren't worldwide media condemnations of the police.
    Things are also a bit more subtle and I am sure that as a result of evidence gathering teams, our own video squads, various doors were or will be kicked in, in the early hours.
    As the riot control instructor here I agree with this post. The video looks bad but when you take it into context it makes sense.

    That is obviously a small group of cops with no riot gear at all. They were prepared for managing a peaceful protest.

    I'm sure they are falling back to where they have well equipped officers maintaining a skirmish line. The officers have not turned tail and run, they are facing the crowd and backing quickly and in a controlled manner.

    They are vastly outnumbered. Any overt violent act on their part is going to set the crowd off in more violence. At that point they'd be over run and it would go badly for them. The better part of valor is a controlled retreat to where you have the resources to stand up and put down the rioters.

    It looks far worse than it is.
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    {Bowing} I commend and respect your better trained view of the incident.
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    Although I fully see the appeal of resolving the situation with a variety of high calibre firearms!!!
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    I cannot say that I wouldn't agree with falling back...


    (so long as I was falling back to a very large water cannon).

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    Quote Originally Posted by countybear View Post
    I cannot say that I wouldn't agree with falling back...


    (so long as I was falling back to a very large water cannon).
    I haven't been in a riot. Our European cousins deal with that stuff on far greater scales and more frequently than we do. I'm sure the Brits had lots of fun toys waiting in the wings to be brought to bear.
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    You say they are falling back to a point where officers in riot gear are waiting, the sad thing I see is the officers falling back are wearing more riot gear than I, and most officers in my department, would be issued.

    We'd be told to turn our jackets inside out to the lime side, or put on our traffic vests so we make easier targets , put on our normal uniform caps, and get our batons, maybe shotguns. We'd be damn lucky if we had reinforcements coming with shields, helmets, gas masks, or any other riot control measure. And it would be rather certain they would not arrive with that equipment in time.

    The most we would have would be what we have on us, we would need to work with that. At least we have guns, but i'd hate to see it come to that.

    I can say the first time I got whacked in the back of the head by a traffic cone or sign I'd be questioning where command was having us go, and why I couldn't turn around and put the fear of ME into a few of them.
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    During a riot a constable bumps into a high ranking officer.

    "Hello sir, didn't know I'd run this far back!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radar View Post
    You say they are falling back to a point where officers in riot gear are waiting, the sad thing I see is the officers falling back are wearing more riot gear than I, and most officers in my department, would be issued.

    We'd be told to turn our jackets inside out to the lime side, or put on our traffic vests so we make easier targets , put on our normal uniform caps, and get our batons, maybe shotguns. We'd be damn lucky if we had reinforcements coming with shields, helmets, gas masks, or any other riot control measure. And it would be rather certain they would not arrive with that equipment in time.

    The most we would have would be what we have on us, we would need to work with that. At least we have guns, but i'd hate to see it come to that.

    I can say the first time I got whacked in the back of the head by a traffic cone or sign I'd be questioning where command was having us go, and why I couldn't turn around and put the fear of ME into a few of them.
    Some of the riots in Europe are NUTS! Rest assured they have all the proper equipment and gear ready to go in a staging area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorwaycop View Post
    Although I fully see the appeal of resolving the situation with a variety of high calibre firearms!!!
    Thanks for setting the record straight and explaining the tactics,when viewed that way does make a "little" sense,I guess

    But ,I also appreciate your thinking (in quote),even more.A few rounds of good old rock salt BEFORE the water cannon,would have sure been fun to watch.

 

 

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