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    IE8 Users Downgrade To Explorer 7

    Microsoft (NSDQ: MSFT)'s Internet Explorer 8 appears to be losing market share, even though the browser has been on the market for less than a week. As of 8:00 am Monday, IE8 -- released Thursday -- held 1.86% of the browser market, down from a high of 2.59% on Sunday, according to market watcher Net Applications. The most likely reason for the decline is that early adopters of IE8 are switching back to the more familiar, and --at this point -- reliable Explorer 7 browser.

    Explorer 8 includes a number of new tools, like a feature called Web Slices that lets users grab dynamic content such as stock quotes or auction results from third-party sites, that, while potentially useful, may take some time getting used to. Additionally, Explorer 8 uses default support for some new Web publishing standards that aren't supported by a number of major Web publishers. As a result, some IE8 users have reported problems viewing some sites. "After downloading IE8 I cannot print any card from American Greetings. The message I get is, 'An error occurred during the operation,'" a user named Bob complained last week on Microsoft's IE8 forum.
    Some IE8 adopters reported that even pages built with Microsoft's own Web publishing software, Microsoft Publisher, failed to render properly in the new browser. "I created my company's Web site using the MS Publisher 2007 template. After upgrading IE7 to IE8 my menu tabs and many important images no longer show," wrote a user named Phil Wheeler.
    The news wasn't all bad for Microsoft, as some IE8 users said they were more than happy with the product.
    Microsoft needs Explorer 8 to be a hit, as the company's Internet Explorer franchise has been losing ground to competitors. Explorer's overall share of the market has fallen from 75% to 67% in just the past 12 months, according to Net Applications, while competitors such as Apple's Safari and Mozilla's Firefox have gained ground.

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    They could always upgrade to Firefox. Or Opera. Or Chrome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphos View Post
    They could always upgrade to Firefox. Or Opera. Or Chrome.
    Some of us don't consider that an upgrade.

    I'm sitting on 7 until they work the bugs out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post

    I'm sitting on 7 until they work the bugs out.

    Smart move.

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    I went with Firefox about a year ago, and it will take a lot to bring me back.

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    Every time Microsoft rolls out a new product or version, a big percentage of new users regret their move. The same deal has been going on with Windows Vista vs XP for over a year, with many older applications and device drivers not being able to run on Windows Vista, not to mention PC's and laptops that are already short of memory. So many corporate users refused to move to Vista that some of the computer vendors who started offering Vista exclusively have done some backtracking and are now offering new PC's with XP Pro again.

    They did the same thing when they moved from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95, then 95 to 98, then 98 to NT, then NT to 2000, then 2000 to XP - A lot of stuff written for the old systems just flat would not work, especially the device drivers.

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    I have tried the new Windows 7, I have to say I was fairly impressed. I ran the x64 version and it ran everything i wanted it to. It even recognized all my memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NTSMadDog View Post
    I have tried the new Windows 7, I have to say I was fairly impressed. I ran the x64 version and it ran everything i wanted it to. It even recognized all my memory.
    I've heard a lot of good things about 7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NTSMadDog View Post
    I have tried the new Windows 7, I have to say I was fairly impressed. I ran the x64 version and it ran everything i wanted it to. It even recognized all my memory.
    We've found that a lot of stuff written for 32 bit machines will not run on our 64-bit servers. It seems to have a problem registering and recognizing the old DLL's that were written in Visual Basic and C++ 6.0.

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    I'm constantly amused that people expect backwards compatibility.

    If it paid, MS would do it.

    It doesn't pay - they WANT you to have to replace stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXCharlie View Post
    We've found that a lot of stuff written for 32 bit machines will not run on our 64-bit servers. It seems to have a problem registering and recognizing the old DLL's that were written in Visual Basic and C++ 6.0.
    They are a lot different, but i think 64 is the way of the future

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    Quote Originally Posted by NTSMadDog View Post
    They are a lot different, but i think 64 is the way of the future
    Agreed - 32 Bit machines can't address over 4GB of memory unless they page the memory, which is inefficient. As applications and op systems become more memory hungry, 64 bit machines will become necessary.

    Our database and file servers need 32GB+ RAM (or more) to operate under heavy load, cache frequently-used files, and avoid digging into pagefile (which will bog any computer down immediately).

    Although as Maclean said, backward compatibility might be expensive for Microsoft, the lack of it is what keeps corporate users stuck on the same platforms long after the hardware and software should be replaced. Often the software which won't run on the new machines or op systems was developed in-house at a cost of millions of dollars, and the programmers who wrote it have left the company, which is the stuff of management and technical nightmares.

    The same applies to browsers to a lesser extent - Web sites go to huge expense to make all their web sites friendly to all browsers. The new .NET and J2EE based sites are easier to make browser-friendly, but it's a huge expense for older sites - Not to mention irritating for the programmers because they'd rather be working on bigger things than debugging some little rendering difference, or JavaScript that won't run in the new browsers. Web site users don't like that either, so it runs them off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    I'm constantly amused that people expect backwards compatibility.

    If it paid, MS would do it.

    It doesn't pay - they WANT you to have to replace stuff.
    The solution is to use products that support open standards, like Firefox instead of IE. If you really want to avoid issues with compatibiity, switch to Linux or other F/OSS alternatives to Windows and the microsoft monopoly.

    Disclaimer: I am a Linux Zealot. I haven't run windows in years with the exception of our MDTs and they would run Linux too if I had any choice in the matter.

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    Grabbed IE 8, installed it, looked around, back to FF. Seems fine, some nice little features to it which will hopefully help the masses who use it. I'm not an IE hater - it is my #2 browser - just prefer FF for a few reasons.

    Good news is O/R displays fine in IE8 in both its native mode and compatibility mode.

    As to the original article, I don't know who wrote it, but I'm guessing they were looking for a way to give their bland story about IE8 some spice. IE8 hasn't been pushed out, but since it's available every tech writer and blogger rushed out and grabbed it to put up their quickie review - and then went back to their browser of choice. (much like I just did) That explains the bump in use and a falloff to match.

    The backward compatibility discussion made me chuckle, mostly because I use it when I feel like defending Windows to rile up my Mac friends. "Oh yeah, I had some great old software that is out of print now too...oh, but I can still run mine, how does your System 7 software run under OS-X?"

    A Linux zealot? Heck, nothing wrong with that. Not sure why I haven't made the switch myself, especially since virtualization and current hardware would allow me to cling to those beloved old apps I mentioned pretty painlessly until I found replacements. Kind of blows my "I need to run Windows to be able to help family/friends" argument out of the water too. Even with the Win7 beta running silky smooth it may be time find a tux myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXCharlie View Post
    Agreed - 32 Bit machines can't address over 4GB of memory unless they page the memory, which is inefficient. As applications and op systems become more memory hungry, 64 bit machines will become necessary.

    Our database and file servers need 32GB+ RAM (or more) to operate under heavy load, cache frequently-used files, and avoid digging into pagefile (which will bog any computer down immediately).

    Although as Maclean said, backward compatibility might be expensive for Microsoft, the lack of it is what keeps corporate users stuck on the same platforms long after the hardware and software should be replaced. Often the software which won't run on the new machines or op systems was developed in-house at a cost of millions of dollars, and the programmers who wrote it have left the company, which is the stuff of management and technical nightmares.

    The same applies to browsers to a lesser extent - Web sites go to huge expense to make all their web sites friendly to all browsers. The new .NET and J2EE based sites are easier to make browser-friendly, but it's a huge expense for older sites - Not to mention irritating for the programmers because they'd rather be working on bigger things than debugging some little rendering difference, or JavaScript that won't run in the new browsers. Web site users don't like that either, so it runs them off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DVeng View Post
    The solution is to use products that support open standards, like Firefox instead of IE. If you really want to avoid issues with compatibiity, switch to Linux or other F/OSS alternatives to Windows and the microsoft monopoly.

    Disclaimer: I am a Linux Zealot. I haven't run windows in years with the exception of our MDTs and they would run Linux too if I had any choice in the matter.
    That is *A* solution, but I choose to work within the confines of what dominates the world we live in.

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    OK....dumb question here from Non-computer Man. What's the damn difference? Don't all browsers take you to the same interweb?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw View Post
    OK....dumb question here from Non-computer Man. What's the damn difference? Don't all browsers take you to the same interweb?
    Yes they take you to the same internet but sites are coded in a multitude of languages so that's why some sites will work and some wont.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtaylor View Post
    Yes they take you to the same internet but sites are coded in a multitude of languages so that's why some sites will work and some wont.
    Also speed, stability, and third party customization of the browser.
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