Real or Fake?

**Cidp24** · 04-01-12, 07:34 PM

I just found this accident on FB. Real or not?

http://rmirror.net/r/videos/comments.../#.T3jjF3Dnhs4

If it's real it's incredible.

**Five-0** · 04-01-12, 08:56 PM

Saw that the other day. Looks pretty real to me. Can't say I want to know the particulars.

**Jks9199** · 04-01-12, 09:04 PM

Kind of skeptical about the way the SUV comes apart. Something else about it feels fake overall, too. But not willing to say with certainty it's fake.

**pgg** · 04-01-12, 09:05 PM

I was hoping this was gonna be about boobs

**lewisipso** · 04-01-12, 09:37 PM

The accident itself looks legit. It's only the SUV coming apart like that I would call into question. If anything was doctored it would be that. Then again, stranger things have happened.

**Cidp24** · 04-01-12, 09:39 PM

Something about the moment of impact and the way the SUV breaks up is off to me too. The 18 wheeler looks odd on impact.

**yooper warden** · 04-01-12, 11:09 PM

If you can believe snopes, it's real.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/russiacrash.asp

**Xiphos** · 04-02-12, 01:20 AM

If both vehicles are going 60 MPH that's like driving into a brick wall at 120 MPH. Not to mention the kinetic energy carried by a big truck with a lot of mass. I believe it. I've worked some highway head ons and the debris field is spectacular and weird stuff happens to the vehicles. I believe that video without Snopes.

**Odd** · 04-02-12, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Xiphos

If both vehicles are going 60 MPH that's like driving into a brick wall at 120 MPH. Not to mention the kinetic energy carried by a big truck with a lot of mass. I believe it. I've worked some highway head ons and the debris field is spectacular and weird stuff happens to the vehicles. I believe that video without Snopes.

I believe the video in spite of Snopes.

If you have two identical vehicles collide at 60 mph, the resulting force will equal each hitting a brick wall at - I come to roughly 60mph. Identical opposing forces in both instances, though that assumes the wall flexes at the same rate as the crush area of the opposing vehicle decelerates the impact. Worse to hit a rigid wall, right? Now in this example the opposing force is not at all equal. Rough numbers, call the Nissan at 4500lbs (vehicle, occupant, etc crap), the Class 8 truck with trailer could be anywhere between 35-80k; let's assume he's empty with a total until weighing in at 45,000. Now instead of equal and opposite we have a 10:1 weight ratio. Let's say 50mph for both given conditions. Using some cheesy collision force calculator I found the Nissan brings 134 tons of force to a collision, while the Class 8 brings 1882 tons. Fudging the numbers backwards was pretty easy with this calculator, the force of the collision for the Nissan would be as if it hit a brick wall at 158mph. Now overly simple of course, used the model's default crush area of .3 meters for both vehicles, but gives some idea of the forces. SUV slamming dead straight into a brick wall at 158mph isn't good, here the anvil of the truck's bumper struck the weakest points of the SUV. The roadway being littered with plastic flying off as the rest of the Nissan is obliterated isn't surprising to me.

**Xiphos** · 04-02-12, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Odd

I believe the video in spite of Snopes.

If you have two identical vehicles collide at 60 mph, the resulting force will equal each hitting a brick wall at - I come to roughly 60mph. Identical opposing forces in both instances, though that assumes the wall flexes at the same rate as the crush area of the opposing vehicle decelerates the impact. Worse to hit a rigid wall, right? Now in this example the opposing force is not at all equal. Rough numbers, call the Nissan at 4500lbs (vehicle, occupant, etc crap), the Class 8 truck with trailer could be anywhere between 35-80k; let's assume he's empty with a total until weighing in at 45,000. Now instead of equal and opposite we have a 10:1 weight ratio. Let's say 50mph for both given conditions. Using some cheesy collision force calculator I found the Nissan brings 134 tons of force to a collision, while the Class 8 brings 1882 tons. Fudging the numbers backwards was pretty easy with this calculator, the force of the collision for the Nissan would be as if it hit a brick wall at 158mph. Now overly simple of course, used the model's default crush area of .3 meters for both vehicles, but gives some idea of the forces. SUV slamming dead straight into a brick wall at 158mph isn't good, here the anvil of the truck's bumper struck the weakest points of the SUV. The roadway being littered with plastic flying off as the rest of the Nissan is obliterated isn't surprising to me.

The closure rate was 120. Anyone ever tell you that you're really literal?