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11-16-06, 07:25 PM #1
Democrats set to attempt to increase minimum wage by $2.00 per hour
Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts said Thursday that increasing the federal minimum wage from $5.15 to $7.25 would be his top priority as chairman of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions.
On the House side, incoming Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., already has listed an increase in the minimum wage as one of the issues that would be taken up during the first 100 hours of the next Congress.
"Americans are working harder than ever, but millions of hardworking men and women across the country aren't getting their fair share," Kennedy said during a speech outlining his legislative agenda for next year. "We're not rewarding work fairly anymore, and working families are falling behind."
President Bush signaled readiness last week to consider some Democratic priorities such as a minimum-wage increase, overhauling immigration policy and finding compromise on renewing the No Child Left Behind education law.
Critics of boosting the minimum wage say it kills job creation as employers hire fewer entry-level workers to compensate for the higher wage expenses. Kennedy said the minimum wage has remained at $5.15 an hour for nearly 10 years. Under Kennedy's proposal, the increase would occur over about a two-year period.
Most states have their own minimum wages laws, with some states having rates the same as the federal minimum wage and some with rates higher than the federal minimum.
Kennedy noted that ballot initiatives establishing or raising the minimum wage in six states all passed in this month's election.
"If there is one message from this election that emerged loud and clear, it's that no one who works for a living should have to live in poverty," Kennedy said.
Kennedy also said he would seek to expand federal support for research on stem cells coming from embryos, which Congress approved last year, but Bush vetoed. The issue won't go away, he promised.
On education, Kennedy said he would seek to make college more affordable by increasing the size of Pell Grants from $4,050 to $5,100, and by cutting interest rates on student loans.
He said that the student loan business has become too profitable for the banking industry. "It's time to take the moneychangers out of the temple on student loans," he said.
On health care, Kennedy said the Senate's HELP committee would expand a health insurance program that now provides health coverage for about 4 million children. He also would look for ways to expand coverage to other populations too, he said, but he did not provide specifics, such as how to pay for that coverage.
Some of the programs that Kennedy cited as priorities, such as lowering classroom sizes, expanding job training, and increasing financial aide for students, would require more money. He said that some of the money can be found just by adjusting priorities.
"There's a lot of money rattling around out there. The question is, who's going to get it," Kennedy told reporters.
Kennedy said that raising taxes on the poor and middle class "are all off the table for me," but he said he would look at
raising what he referred to as the millionaires' tax.
11-16-06, 11:24 PM #2
It's going to happen. We can't stop that now. But I'm against a minimum wage period. Pay me what I'm worth. If you don't like the amount of money you're making, then work somewhere else.
The only thing this will do is make us pay more for our products as consumers. Like we just need to spend more money.
I hate democrats- even more than I hate republican'ts.
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11-16-06, 11:30 PM #3
amen rhino, one hidden reason the dems want to increase the minimum wage, is unions!! I am currently in the constructiom field, till the LEO thing comes thru. A bunch of union members are paid based on the minimum wage...ie as a journeyman you get paid 6 times or 7 times the minimum wage. So if the minimum gets boosted a couple bucks, those guys get FAT raises. And who is a HUGE constituency of the Dems??? UNIONS.... Give me the free market anyday
11-16-06, 11:57 PM #4
Here in CA our minimum wage just went up....and will be $8 as of Jan 2008. I think it should be increased some. Come on! Who can possibly live off of that??? Especially in pricey areas like CA.**********************
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11-17-06, 08:29 AM #5The virtue of spirit has no need for thanks or approval. Only the certain conviction that what has been done is right. -Jor El, as played by Marlon Brando
11-17-06, 12:32 PM #6
I know in Michigan we just increased minimum wage to $6.95 and although it directly affected my pay, as I was getting less than that, I still didn't agree with. Before I got paid above min. wage, it wasn't a lot above min. wage but it was enough to make me able to distinguise that my services asked for more and were more valued than say someone who cleans dishes at the cafeteria or who sits at the front desk of the dorm and watches DVDs all night. Now we all get paid the same as I'm thinking that the University can't afford to pay us above $7 an hour. Some nights when its sleeting, windy, and people are screaming things out car windows at me, that sitting in a nice warm office watching DVDs sounds pretty nice.
Also I know a few of my friends who work fast food or retail, and they used to make more because of their years of good work there, but now since hte increase they're almost making the same as the new jack that was just hired yesterday.
Yes, the increase is great if you're trying to support a family with it, even though thats still impossible to do with 6.95 an hour, but if the pay scale isn't equally adjusted than how is this fair to those who have 1) worked their way ahead 2) didn't end up in a position trying to support a family on min wage.
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11-17-06, 01:07 PM #7
Autumn thats a good and valid point. The Dept I was with did the same thing. About every year we would get a 3% pay increase no more. But when they did that they also raised the starting pay 3%. So even after I had been there for 5yrs. I was still getting the same pay as a rookie officer. It wasnt untill we had a pay study done did my pay finally get kicked above the starting pay some, not much.
Now on the other hand I think Congress has to raise the minimum wage. Emlpoyers cant be asked to "just pay what you think your people are worth". Basic human greed will kick in and the employer wont pay a livable wage, haveing so many states raise it themselves shows this to be true. If they were paying above minimum already there would be no reason to have to raise it. Yes some people may get laid off, and some people will get raises that dont deserve it, but in the end its a good thing. I would rather raise the wage so people can live of their salary, than them not working and living completly off of my salary!!"An Unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper
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11-17-06, 01:11 PM #8
One of the reasons I went off here for a few months was due to the democrat bashing.
Here in Missouri I voted to increase the min wage from $5.15 to $6.50 and it passed.
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11-17-06, 01:27 PM #9
In Minnesota our minimum wage was at 5.20 for quite some time. Last year in September i believe it went up to...6.15 haha. Yeah, what a raise. I didn't vote because I don't really know if it would be good or bad. If minimum wage goes up then prices on other things might go up. I'm pretty sure that even if minimum wage did go up, I'd stay at the 7.80 that i make now (sad I know) because Glenn Taylor is kind of a cheapskate to be honest. But I guess we'll see what happens.....
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11-17-06, 05:06 PM #10
I was in the Army, too Beans- and it's a figure of speech. Don't get your knickers in a twist.The virtue of spirit has no need for thanks or approval. Only the certain conviction that what has been done is right. -Jor El, as played by Marlon Brando
11-17-06, 06:03 PM #11
Can someone please tell me where the notion of supporting a family on minimum wage started?? I dont think I could name ONE family that tries that. Its impossible. That wage is designed for kids, part timers and the like. Thats all it was ever designed for. Its NOT a living wage, its a MINIMUM. Beans, I have a question for you.....and I am not trying to be overly partisan, but you say you voted to increase the minimum wage in Missouri to $6.50 right? So do you think that $6.50 is enough? Is that increase enough to support a family of 4? If not, then what good is it...what has it accomplished? Absolutely nothing in my opinion. All it has done is increased the scale for the union workers. As far as living off the minimum wage in Cali, lets be real. You could raise the minimum to $20 an hour, and still not come close. LOL
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11-17-06, 08:34 PM #14
i can relate, lived outside of the Lou for about 5 years, actually made more than I did in cali...ALOT more, not in law enforcement though....I can respect wanting to help people, but I refer back to my fav president....democrats think the way to help someone who is hungry is to give them a fish...CONSERVATIVES think the way to help is to give him a pole and teach him to fish...not bashing anybody, just a difference in philosophy...rather than raise the minimum wage, why not try to help these families find better jobs that would pay more, and leave minimum for teenagers....
11-17-06, 09:13 PM #15
The Minimum Wage is almost irrevalant... The market has already determined that even a recieptionist around here is worth $10 per hour. The pretty ones, $12.
The problem is, when you raise the Minimum Wage, everyone expects a raise by the same percentage - That could nearly bankrupt the damn country, but then the Demorats will blame that on Bush, too.
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11-17-06, 10:47 PM #16
Must've been nice to live in the time when a one income, 4 person household could still manage to live in a nice ranch home in the suburbs. Mother would be happy in the kitchen and doing all the shopping and housework, the kids would get straight A's and wouldn't argue, and Father would come home, light up his pipe and beam at his family over the newspaper every evening.
Oh, wait, that was a TV show in the late 50's. And it never freaking happened! When the men went overseas to fight in WWII, the women went into the workforce EN MASSE and kept this country productive and keep food on their tables. People with any sense of responsibility will do what it takes to care for their family. I know a LOT of people who work two jobs to be able to make the rent. Minimum wage sucks, true. Winning the lottery would be sweet. The reality lies somewhere in the middle.
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11-20-06, 04:24 AM #17
The problem I see with raising minimum wage is that the rest of the market is going to adjust itself to this new "minimum". Sure, for a while the purchasing power for the minimum wage earners is going to go up.
But then, so do the expenses for the employers. They have to pay more in wages, more taxes, more for their wholesale goods (because their distributor is having to pay THEIR employees more), etc. Not to mention the fact that an increased minimum wage reduces the purchasing power of those in skilled jobs making more than minimum wage.
For example, I'm making $12.15 an hour. That is $5.40/hr higher than California's minimum wage. Once the minimum wage goes up to $8 an hour, inflation goes up and the $12.15/hr I'm making doesn't get me as far as it used to.
Even if my employer increases my wage, we are back to where we first started when we decided to raise the minimum wage. Then minimum wage is not a "living wage" anymore and we start the cycle over."To the German commander: 'Nuts!' The American Commander" - General Tony McAuliffe, 101st Airborne Division
11-20-06, 07:09 AM #18
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11-20-06, 11:01 AM #19
The dems are not raising the min. wage to benefit those making min wage. They will say that they are all day. Most union contracts are tied to the min wage. For example if you are an auto worker your contract probably says something like wage minimums will be at say 4 times the minimum wage. These are the wages that dems are trying to raise. Why? Unions are one of the dems largest monetary supporters. If union members wages go up, then union dues go up, then union revenues go up, then union contributions to the dem party goes up. Result: we pay more for American made goods, union companies (ford, gm, ect) get even closer to bankrupcy.
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11-20-06, 11:10 PM #20
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