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    Cracking down on meth labs

    NC cracking down on meth labs
    11/30/2006 8:38 PM
    By: Jennifer Moxley

    CHARLOTTE – November 30 was proclaimed National Methamphetamine Awareness Day by President Bush, who has set a national goal of reducing the number of methamphetamine labs in the country by 25 percent in the next three years.


    “Meth is one [drug] that leads to the highest concentration of dopamine in the brain, and this is likely to account for the fact that methamphetamine is one of the most addictive of all the drugs of abuse,” said Dr. Nora Volkow of the National Institute of Drug Abuse.

    One of the most common ingredients in the production of meth is pseudo-ephedrine – something that is also a common ingredient in several cold medications that can be purchased without a prescription.

    In order to combat meth use, state lawmakers passed a law in January that placed restrictions on the amount of those medications that can be purchased, and required that they were moved from their place on the pharmacy shelves to behind the counter.

    News 14 Carolina's Jennifer Moxley has more on what state officials are doing to combat the growing problem of meth trafficking and use.

    The law appears to be working, as the number of meth labs in North Carolina failed to rise for the first time since 1999.

    Despite the decrease in meth labs, officials say that the fight is far from over.

    “The numbers of clandestine mom and pop meth labs may be declining, but the number of methamphetamines on the street is increasing, and it’s coming from Mexico,” said George Holding, the United States Attorney for the Eastern District of North Carolina.

    With the reduction of meth labs within the state, North Carolina plans to put resources towards reducing meth trafficking and use. The U.S. Attorney’s office is busy training state and local agents – as well as state prosecutors – on methamphetamine-related crime.

    The Drug Enforcement Administration webpage will post locations in each state where known methamphetamine clandestine labs or dumpsites were located so that individuals can be aware of possible meth contaminated sites within their communities. This is the first such national listing of seized former meth sites available to the public.


    Link http://www.news14charlotte.com/conte...sp?ArID=130791

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    Okay, Meth is a very bad drug. That said, let's look critically at the government's pathetic attempts to "Do something" about it:

    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle View Post
    One of the most common ingredients in the production of meth is pseudo-ephedrine – something that is also a common ingredient in several cold medications that can be purchased without a prescription.

    In order to combat meth use, state lawmakers passed a law in January that placed restrictions on the amount of those medications that can be purchased, and required that they were moved from their place on the pharmacy shelves to behind the counter.

    This is nothing more than symbolism, and a hassle for anyone with a sinus problem. If this stops anyone from making meth, it's the hobbyists. The big-time manufacturers are NOT using Sudafed. They extract ephedrine from Ma-Huang, a plant that they buy in bulk. More profits if you do it that way, anyhow.

    Also, once again these laws fly in the face of the unstoppable law of supply and demand. Take out one meth dealer and all you've done is made room for someone new to step in his place and take all the old one's clients. Nothing has changed except we now get another warm body to tend to in a prison at $30,000+ tax payer dollar per year. Whoopee!

    Of course, were drugs legal, there would be no back-shed meth labs anymore. It would be manufactured in controlled conditions by legitimate companies, and the drug lords would be out of business.
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    oh in a perfect world things could be so clear. BUT to put your words back at ya. Alcohol is legal correct, but there are still people who make their own wine, beer, moonshine, ect..... why you may ask would someone make their own product even though there are legitimate businesses manufacturing such items in a controlled condition????

    Kinda throws your theories out the window. No matter what product is legal someone will always try to manufactor, sell, buy the product at a cheaper cost than it is being sold for and the drug lords would still be in business.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BEK320 View Post
    oh in a perfect world things could be so clear. BUT to put your words back at ya. Alcohol is legal correct, but there are still people who make their own wine, beer, moonshine, ect..... why you may ask would someone make their own product even though there are legitimate businesses manufacturing such items in a controlled condition????

    Kinda throws your theories out the window. No matter what product is legal someone will always try to manufactor, sell, buy the product at a cheaper cost than it is being sold for and the drug lords would still be in business.
    Not really. How many "alcohol lords" are there today?
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    more than you know... theres a granite city brewery not to far away. micro brews


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    Quote Originally Posted by BEK320 View Post
    more than you know... theres a granite city brewery not to far away. micro brews
    Excluding "legit" operations. How many moonshine "alcohol lords" are there?
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    well they are unregistered of course. so i cant give ya the list of names. but I know uncle jesse was moving a ton of it and that is why rosco was chasing after them Duke Boys


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    Quote Originally Posted by BEK320 View Post
    well they are unregistered of course. so i cant give ya the list of names. but I know uncle jesse was moving a ton of it and that is why rosco was chasing after them Duke Boys
    Thank you for reducing your argument to absurdity.

    The fact that you can't name "alcohol lords" completely invalidates your claims that the black market will somehow operate and enrich drug lords under a free market.
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    I personally know people that make their own beer and wine. They do produce a fair amount and give alot away. Now to turn the tables and say they were meth heads and meth was made legal then I would theorize that MORE meth heads would make their own instead of buying the ones sold at hippy mart. That you cannot deny. You may take down the big scary drug lord but as in every business you take out the leader there is 5 smaller ones that take his place.


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    What you're talking about is a very small % of users who would manufacture. Chemical extraction is very difficult and dangerous. Most people would leave it to the pros.
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    BEK320 - the people making unlicensed spirits - are they they really in it to save money or is it a hobby? Honest question.

    Landlord when I was a kid would make dandelion wine and tried to make beer a few times. From what I remember, his guests would drink it very slowly to avoid offers to refill their cups, but it was a hobby, an excuse to have people over for his tastings.

    I suppose that might work with some drugs, but meth? You guys tell me.

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    Our idiot governor made cough medicine a controlled substance here. Legally, you can't even buy it for your spouse who's at home sick. His re-election campaign ads claimed that he reduced the number of meth labs by 70%. What he didn't bother to mention is the fact that the amount of meth on the street continues to increase. It's made in the Mexican-super labs, and rolls across the border with all the illegals.

    Personally, if it's going to be on the street I'd rather it be made in domestic labs.
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    Ian, people dont leave it to the pros now, why would they in the future, You say because it will be cheaper but I dont buy that. If joe meth head can go to quickie mart and buy an ounce for $10.00. Or he can make it at home, from recipies found on the web, and manufacture it for $100.00 per pound. What do you think he is going to do. Plus he wont have to pay any taxes on it. Making something legal doesnt all of a sudden stop all illegal activity.


    Next once you take this away from criminals what becomes of them? This from Mr. Mexican drug lord, to the mule carrying it across the border. To the high level American lord, to the middle level dealer, to the gang leader, to his street level people? Do you think all of them are going to all of a sudden go, "awwwww shucks now its legal lets go flip burgers". Lets be honest here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTL_Ian View Post
    Okay, Meth is a very bad drug. That said, let's look critically at the government's pathetic attempts to "Do something" about it:
    We're just not killing enough pushers.

    War on drugs = kill a pusher.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg3533 View Post
    Next once you take this away from criminals what becomes of them? This from Mr. Mexican drug lord, to the mule carrying it across the border. To the high level American lord, to the middle level dealer, to the gang leader, to his street level people? Do you think all of them are going to all of a sudden go, "awwwww shucks now its legal lets go flip burgers". Lets be honest here.

    Exactly!

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    The folks that make their own grain alcohol, by and large do it for personal use. Very few do it for profit, and if they do, they do well to break even.

    But there numbers are ridiculously small compared to that of the crack and meth manufacturer.

    Call me naive, but I'd even wager that many of these "kitchen-made" drugs like meth and crack would eventually phase out if more "staple" drugs were to hit the market. Simply because they would be less harmful (I said "less") than those drugs, and probably just as cheap if not cheaper. No, it wouldn't happen over night, but I think meth would be like the Pepsi Clear of the drug industry.
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    IMHO…
    If meth or crack was made legal, and a controlled manufacturer could make and sale it, sooner or later they will have to make stronger and stronger batches.
    And if the users can't get it strong enough from a controlled manufacturer, they will be back to their kitchens conjuring up stronger recipes.

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    the alcohol argument reminds me of a large bust overseas in the past, involving the manufacture of cheap (and unsafe) bootleg liquor, being passed off as Stolichnaya...
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    If you made meth or coke legal, it won't stop other legal activity. Alcohol can be made legal because it can be used responsibly. Meth, Cocaine, you can't. There is no way, and you can't make it "cleaner" either. It's a purely destructive chemical creation.

    You use it, you get addicted to it, pretty soon you're loosing your job, hawking all your stuff in the pawn shop, and are now a drain on society until you eventually croak over (with meth, it won't take too long).

    I personally have no hard feelings if someone wants to engage in a harmful/lethal activity that effects themselves and only themselves, and has no adverse effects, emotional or physical on anyone else.. Stupid them as I say. However, it would be detramental to society if Meth/Coke/Heroine/Etc., became legal.

    As others have stated as well... What would happen to the drug lords, and etc, if it was made illegal? They won't just go out and say "well, time to hang up the drug hat and go get a real job".........
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