Mom has kid arrested for opening X-mas present early

**Coloradocop** · 12-06-06, 03:30 AM

Okay, guys and gals, you've got to check this story out.

I'll admit, I went to the dark side to get it... I was just browsing the FTL site when I came across the link, but I still haven't stopped laughing about this one yet, and the story looks legit from what I can see.

Perhaps this mother could just try taking the toy away and returning it next time? Hell, with the price of video game systems around the holidays she could have proabably scalped the thing on E-bay for a tidy profit. Sometimes I just don't think we are the correct tool for every job.

http://www.heraldonline.com/109/story/9901.html

**TheOldRhino** · 12-06-06, 03:43 AM

On Monday night, the mother said she had her son arrested because she didn't know what else to do.

And there you have it, folks. "I didn't know what else to do."

You start by raising your kid instead of making the government do it. If you don't know "what to do", then maybe you should keep your legs closed until you do.

Fucking imbecile.

**Coloradocop** · 12-06-06, 03:45 AM

Originally Posted by Rhino

You start by raising your kid instead of making the government do it. If you don't know "what to do", then maybe you should keep your legs closed until you do.

Fucking imbecile.

+1. Parental licensing might help... But, then, look at all the bad licensed drivers we have. I just wish they'd let me add a little chlorine to the gene pool every now and again

**jmur5074** · 12-06-06, 08:20 AM

I can't believed they charged him.

**Pedro56** · 12-06-06, 09:12 AM

That is the thing right there, who are the mopes that actually took him to jail? That is the thing that is pathetic about this story. Those cops didn't have the intestinal fortitude to tell momma to take a hike.

**Growler** · 12-06-06, 09:38 AM

Petty larceny? Wow, that musta been a heck of a stretch.

**Buttercup** · 12-06-06, 10:29 AM

From the article: "She said the boy likes attention and has a history of bad behavior. He has shoplifted from stores and stolen money from her, she said. The boy has also been inching toward expulsion from school, she added, and even punched a police officer last month. He was arrested for disorderly conduct in that incident.

She hoped the arrest would be a wake-up call for him. She dreads getting a phone call someday reporting he's been killed."

Unbelievable.

**BigDawg** · 12-06-06, 11:20 AM

Why not just take the child and the gift load them in the car and make him return the gift to the store or a pawn shop. Then he gets nothing.

Signal_W · 12-06-06, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Pedro56

That is the thing right there, who are the mopes that actually took him to jail? That is the thing that is pathetic about this story. Those cops didn't have the intestinal fortitude to tell momma to take a hike.

I agree 100%

I would have been so pissed at mom for calling me for that bullshit that I never would have gotten around to actually speaking with the kid.

Once I heard what her complaint was I would have turned around and walked out and gotten back in service. After I used my favorite line, "mam/sir, I raise two kids of my own, I cant raise yours to!"

**Coloradocop** · 12-06-06, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Signal_W

I agree 100%

Once I heard what her complaint was I would have turned around and walked out and gotten back in service.

Yeah, we aren't the solution for bad parenting.

I actually had call us one time so that she could ask me to help her hold her kid down while she spanked him... yeah, right. Not that I'm against a good ol' fashioned spanking, but this isn't exactly in my job description (and I could only imagine the headline).

To me this would have been an easy call to tell the dispatcher to CAD as "unfounded".

**10-42Adam** · 12-06-06, 01:18 PM

I saw this on the local news. Pretty pathetic...

**General Patten** · 12-06-06, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Buttercup

From the article: "She said the boy likes attention and has a history of bad behavior. He has shoplifted from stores and stolen money from her, she said. The boy has also been inching toward expulsion from school, she added, and even punched a police officer last month. He was arrested for disorderly conduct in that incident.

She hoped the arrest would be a wake-up call for him. She dreads getting a phone call someday reporting he's been killed."

Unbelievable.

wow...

How can she possibly expect this to be a wake-up call? From the sound of it, this type of response is exactly what he wants! Sell the toy and keep the money.

**bayern** · 12-06-06, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Signal_W

I agree 100%

I would have been so pissed at mom for calling me for that bullshit that I never would have gotten around to actually speaking with the kid.

Once I heard what her complaint was I would have turned around and walked out and gotten back in service. After I used my favorite line, "mam/sir, I raise two kids of my own, I cant raise yours to!"

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Don't know where y'all Police, but in South Carolina that attitude will get you fired, PERIOD. You take the call, you may not like it, but take the call. Mom wants the kid charged (for whatever, makes not diff), you take him into custody, or at least take a report. Juveniles are NEVER arrested in SC, but taken into custody. Run him down to the PD and turn him over to the Juvenile Officer (Most Dept in this state have Juvenile Officers.), do your report and hit the road.

There is a specific state statue that dictates how a Juvenile is handled. One example is that a 12 year old can only be confined by a Family Court Order. Can't even put him a "D" cell. Can't be around any adult under arrest, etc.

I deal with the juveniles (along with all the other crap that comes down the road) and it really ain't hard. Get the kid in the office, fill out a form or two, release him back to the parents (or whoever is the guardian) and send the paper work to the Family Court. Usually, the officer saren't called to court unless you place him in Detention. Lot more paper work then, and you are usually in court within 3 working days after confinement).

Really, once you get a handle on the working of the law, it is usually easier then trying to get a W/E off from your boss. No running around trying to get a Judge to sign warrants, hunting him down, etc. Just tell the parents/guardian to have him in court when notified, and your done. Now, if you got a real asshole kid and the parents are just as bad, recomment the kid for Juvenile PTI (Pre-trial Intervention). Cost about $500.00 out of the Parents pocket, and in most cases, the parents got to go thru the program with Jr., and some of the programs are weekends. Puts a kink in the old golf game.

I could go on an on about the Juvenile thing, but it can be boreing, so.....Ciao

**HudsonHawk** · 12-06-06, 02:06 PM

I saw this on the news today and thought it was a joke at first. It's unbelievable how many parents can't control their kids and want us to do their job for them.

12 years old and he's already been arrested twice.

I came across this Incident Report on another site:
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...rge_120506.pdf

**TheOldRhino** · 12-06-06, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Pedro56

That is the thing right there, who are the mopes that actually took him to jail? That is the thing that is pathetic about this story. Those cops didn't have the intestinal fortitude to tell momma to take a hike.

Before y'all judge those cops too quickly, let me say that this is something that I would probably do if mom called me out.

Our agency usually don't take juveniles to jail (our the Youth Detention Center is way too small and overcrowded for petty crap like this). So what I would have done is filled out a juvenile complaint, had the mom sign it, and then release the kid back over to mom. Now, in addition to still having to put up with her kid, she will now get a court date. She'll get sick of getting up at 7:30am and then trying to find a parking spot at the courthouse. Then she'll learn to stop bugging the police when she can't manage her child.

I don't blame the police at all on this one- it was her dumb ass that wanted to get the criminal justice field involved in the first place.

**Coloradocop** · 12-06-06, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by bayern

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Don't know where y'all Police, but in South Carolina that attitude will get you fired, PERIOD. You take the call, you may not like it, but take the call. Mom wants the kid charged (for whatever, makes not diff), you take him into custody, or at least take a report. Juveniles are NEVER arrested in SC, but taken into custody. Run him down to the PD and turn him over to the Juvenile Officer (Most Dept in this state have Juvenile Officers.), do your report and hit the road.

There is a specific state statue that dictates how a Juvenile is handled. One example is that a 12 year old can only be confined by a Family Court Order. Can't even put him a "D" cell. Can't be around any adult under arrest, etc.

I deal with the juveniles (along with all the other crap that comes down the road) and it really ain't hard. Get the kid in the office, fill out a form or two, release him back to the parents (or whoever is the guardian) and send the paper work to the Family Court. Usually, the officer saren't called to court unless you place him in Detention. Lot more paper work then, and you are usually in court within 3 working days after confinement).

Really, once you get a handle on the working of the law, it is usually easier then trying to get a W/E off from your boss. No running around trying to get a Judge to sign warrants, hunting him down, etc. Just tell the parents/guardian to have him in court when notified, and your done. Now, if you got a real asshole kid and the parents are just as bad, recomment the kid for Juvenile PTI (Pre-trial Intervention). Cost about $500.00 out of the Parents pocket, and in most cases, the parents got to go thru the program with Jr., and some of the programs are weekends. Puts a kink in the old golf game.

I could go on an on about the Juvenile thing, but it can be boreing, so.....Ciao

Quite honestly, this "offense" doesn't even fit the legal definition of theft here in Colorado in my mind... Therefore I can easily kiss this case off as "unfounded", and the brass would have a hard time firing me over it even if they wanted to.

An unfounded complaint doesn't justify a report in my mind (otherwise I'd still be up to my ass in paperwork)

Here is our definition of theft:

18-4-401. Theft.
Statute text
(1) A person commits theft when he knowingly obtains or exercises control over anything of value of another without authorization, or by threat or deception, and:

(a) Intends to deprive the other person permanently of the use or benefit of the thing of value; or

(b) Knowingly uses, conceals, or abandons the thing of value in such manner as to deprive the other person permanently of its use or benefit; or

(c) Uses, conceals, or abandons the thing of value intending that such use, concealment, or abandonment will deprive the other person permanently of its use and benefit; or

(d) Demands any consideration to which he is not legally entitled as a condition of restoring the thing of value to the other person.

(1.5) For the purposes of this section, a thing of value is that of "another" if anyone other than the defendant has a possessory or proprietary interest therein.
Since the property never left the home, seems pretty weak to fit the second half of the definition (permanently deprived of the use of said item)

**Coloradocop** · 12-06-06, 03:28 PM

... Let me add that there is one benefit to writing the kid for theft:

1) The stupid mom is going to be the one who ends up paying his fine!!!!

**TheOldRhino** · 12-06-06, 05:00 PM

I probably would have charged the kid with "Unruly Child" rather than any type of theft- since the gift was intended for him anyway.

**E-man** · 12-06-06, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by bayern

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Don't know where y'all Police, but in South Carolina that attitude will get you fired, PERIOD. You take the call, you may not like it, but take the call. Mom wants the kid charged (for whatever, makes not diff), you take him into custody, or at least take a report. Juveniles are NEVER arrested in SC, but taken into custody. Run him down to the PD and turn him over to the Juvenile Officer (Most Dept in this state have Juvenile Officers.), do your report and hit the road.

There is a specific state statue that dictates how a Juvenile is handled. One example is that a 12 year old can only be confined by a Family Court Order. Can't even put him a "D" cell. Can't be around any adult under arrest, etc.

I deal with the juveniles (along with all the other crap that comes down the road) and it really ain't hard. Get the kid in the office, fill out a form or two, release him back to the parents (or whoever is the guardian) and send the paper work to the Family Court. Usually, the officer saren't called to court unless you place him in Detention. Lot more paper work then, and you are usually in court within 3 working days after confinement).

Really, once you get a handle on the working of the law, it is usually easier then trying to get a W/E off from your boss. No running around trying to get a Judge to sign warrants, hunting him down, etc. Just tell the parents/guardian to have him in court when notified, and your done. Now, if you got a real asshole kid and the parents are just as bad, recomment the kid for Juvenile PTI (Pre-trial Intervention). Cost about $500.00 out of the Parents pocket, and in most cases, the parents got to go thru the program with Jr., and some of the programs are weekends. Puts a kink in the old golf game.

I could go on an on about the Juvenile thing, but it can be boreing, so.....Ciao

DONT take this as Iam bashing you BUT where the FUCK IS THE CRIME???
The kid Opened a fukin box and took it to his room. HE NEFER PETTY LARCENIED ANYTHING.
Isnt one of our job descriptions to figure out what happened before taking action?
I know you said at least take a report, YES thats about it.
"On above date and time I was dispatched to.... Main st. for a family dispute over a Christmas gift. Complainant referred to COUNSELING"
END REPORT...
NO CRIME, DONT matter what the caller wants....
{Once again iam not YELLING AT YOU, just making a point. THERE IS NO CRIME HERE.}
I feel better now...
Some departments, my old one woulda allowed me to No report Necessary this one but my current one being s BORING suburban dept. the report woulda been the above 2 lines... NOTHING MORE...
End rant...
Still not yelling at you.

**E-man** · 12-06-06, 05:41 PM

Can ANY cop with more than a week on the job imagine taking this in front of a judge for a criminal complaint or affidavit?
"Yes I do swear your honor, thats what the complainant-mother said" NO FUKIN WAY that is getting a judges gavel and seal of approval.
Plus I dont think it fits the definition of theft as the kid gave it back right? I can understand why some WASTE OF LIFE parents who dont deserve to be called parents like most of us, call 9-1-1. They cant parent...
Term had a good point, Maam, I have 2 of my own, this is your problem
But at least a report should be taken as mom SHOULD follow up on her own with juvenile court.

OK Iam done with this kid and his waste of life momma