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    If this were my daughter, I think I would have killed this fucker

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    A man faces charges of child abuse after police say he attacked a 13-year-old girl on the street. 9NEWS at 9 p.m. January 11, 2007




    LOVELAND - Police say it’s unclear what triggered a violent encounter between 57-year-old Louis Ehasz and a 13-year-old girl.


    “Mr. Ehasz stated he saw a group of young kids and they appeared to be throwing a bottle at a car, he apparently left his place of employment to confront them, they exchange words and it goes south from there," said Officer Andres Salazar with the Loveland Police Department.

    The girl says she and her friends left a bicycle store near the corner of Lincoln and East 7th Street in Loveland Wednesday afternoon.

    She says as the group made its way to a bus stop, some of her friends began throwing bottles at each other. Suddenly, they found themselves running.

    “This guy came from around the corner and everyone took off. I stopped and started shouting, asking why he was doing this,” said the girl. "He came after me, grabbed my hair and threw me on the ground and started hitting me.”

    The victim spoke out, but her mother wanted her identity to be concealed because she feared retaliation from Ehasz.

    Police say Ehasz denied punching the girl, but officers did say she had injuries. The girl said her swollen black eye was feeling “better.”

    Ehasz bonded out of jail Thursday night.

    He faces one count of third-degree assault, one count of child abuse and one count of harassment. He also faces one count of obstruction.

    Police say Ehasz ripped a cell phone out of the hands of a woman who tried to call the police when she saw Ehasz tangled up with the girl.
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    If that was your daughter you wouldn't be much of a parent. I would hope you taught your kids not to throw things at cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BugEyedBeast View Post
    If that was your daughter you wouldn't be much of a parent. I would hope you taught your kids not to throw things at cars.
    Do you condone the assault of a 13 year old girl by a man in his fifties, simply because she committed misdemeanor criminal mischief?

    Granted, that's a stupid bitch teenager thing to do, but come on.

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    If it was a 13 year old boy would you be so upset?

    It wasn't so long ago that adults were expected to step in when children were being unruly. Even up to the point of physical interaction.

    You want to tell me if you were a 13 year old boy throwing bottles at cars you'd turn out better if the state and your parents traded reports for years vs getting some bumps and learning not to do that again?

    I sure hope not. We have plenty of 'never seen reality' 18 year old thugs.

    This girl was thrown to the ground and beaten by a 57 year old man - and got a black eye out of it. That's quite the beating. Maybe he went overboard, but you sure are ready to second guess him quickly.

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    Bug Eyed lets look at it this way. If the police were called and an officer did that would you be so inclined to say the officer acted appropriatly? Would it be ok for a police officer to throw a 13 yr old girl on the ground and hit her? I say no, so why is it ok for a citizen to do it? Plus if he did nothing wrong why did he grab a cell phone out of someone elses hands that were trying to call the police??
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg3533 View Post
    Bug Eyed lets look at it this way. If the police were called and an officer did that would you be so inclined to say the officer acted appropriatly? Would it be ok for a police officer to throw a 13 yr old girl on the ground and hit her? I say no, so why is it ok for a citizen to do it? Plus if he did nothing wrong why did he grab a cell phone out of someone elses hands that were trying to call the police??
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    I'm all for adults keeping children in line, even children they don't know. But according to the article, the girl that was assaulted wasn't even throwing bottles. And while her friends ran away, she stayed put. Sounds like the only thing she did wrong was hang out with the wrong kids. Definetely nothing bad enough to warrant a beating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg3533 View Post
    Plus if he did nothing wrong why did he grab a cell phone out of someone elses hands that were trying to call the police??
    That part alone would be a felony here.

    He should have called the police, and been a good witness. I don't know about other states, but a citizen can only use force to detain if a felony has been committed.

    By going overboard, he took the focus off the criminal mischief of the girl and her friends, and put it right on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BugEyedBeast View Post
    If it was a 13 year old boy would you be so upset?

    It wasn't so long ago that adults were expected to step in when children were being unruly. Even up to the point of physical interaction.
    Yes, I would have been upset, whether a male or a female. He is an adult who needs to be in control. He lost it!!!

    I have stepped in to the defense of a 14 yr old boy against a male adult in his late 40s. The male adult backed down.

    If the male adult would have acted differently and as mentioned above called the police and made a report he would have shown the proper way to handle a situation like this to a teenager who is still growing up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackalope View Post
    I'm all for adults keeping children in line, even children they don't know.
    I mean no disrespect, Jackalope, but I disagree with you. If anyone, for whatever reason, has a problem with something my son has supposedly said and/or done, you take it up with me. I'm the parent and he's MY responsibility. Once I have the facts, I will take whatever action I deem appropriate. Unless it's an emergency (a life or death situation), you DO NOT touch or say anything to my son; otherwise, you will have a lot of explaining to do when the police arrive.

    Regarding this unfortunate incident, the 57 year old man acted inappropriately. He should have called the police and let them handle the situation. I wonder how he would feel if the situation were reversed and he was the father or grandfather of this 13 year old?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BugEyedBeast View Post
    If it was a 13 year old boy would you be so upset?
    The issue isn't whether or not the child involved is a girl or a boy. In fact, let's leave gender out of it. The issue is a 57 year old assaulted a 13 year old.

    Quote Originally Posted by BugEyedBeast View Post
    Maybe he went overboard, but you sure are ready to second guess him quickly.
    Maybe? I just have one question for you. Do you have children? While I would never condone their actions (throwing bottles at cars), lets be real. You can be the best parent in the world, and kids will still be kids.

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    I wasn't talking about people randomly trying to parent someone else's kids. But if kids are unsupervised, and really doing something wrong, I think people have a responsibility to say something. Actually, even if it's an adult doing something wrong the same responsibility applies.

    In this case, the kids were supposedly throwing a bottle at a car. If I witnessed something like that, I would certainly say something to the kids. I wouldn't touch them, but I would talk to them. Maybe it could be resolved without having to involve the police. Maybe I could get the name of the parents and let them know what was going on. Maybe I'd just scare the kids away. But I'm not going to stand around and watch somebody making trouble and not do anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BugEyedBeast View Post
    If it was a 13 year old boy would you be so upset?

    It wasn't so long ago that adults were expected to step in when children were being unruly. Even up to the point of physical interaction.

    You want to tell me if you were a 13 year old boy throwing bottles at cars you'd turn out better if the state and your parents traded reports for years vs getting some bumps and learning not to do that again?

    I sure hope not. We have plenty of 'never seen reality' 18 year old thugs.

    This girl was thrown to the ground and beaten by a 57 year old man - and got a black eye out of it. That's quite the beating. Maybe he went overboard, but you sure are ready to second guess him quickly.
    No disrespect intended, but who the fuck are you?

    Sure, corporal punishment is a valuable tool, and I believe that every kid should expect a little bit of a thumping when he or she acts up. But you know who I expect it from? Parents. Teachers. Maybe a youth pastor. Somebody in a supervisory role. And in a controlled setting. Are you honestly suggesting that throwing a 13 year old kid down in the street and PUNCHING them in the FACE with CLOSED FISTS is in the same vein as receiving a paddling with a ruler or an open hand swipe on the ass? Give me a fucking break. Don't talk to me about 'never-seen'reality'thugs. I see them all the time, and I would be fired, rightfully so, if I laid a hand on them to inflict 'punishment' outside of a lawful arrest.

    Second guessing? Tell you what. This guy decided to be judge, jury, and executioner on a 13 year old girl for throwing bottles at a car...and we're not even sure if that happened, or if her lipping off made him mad. He decided to punish her in a manner that's questionable at best. If I show up on scene, as a police officer, do you know what I see? A large adult man on top of a 13 year old girl, getting punched in the face. No matter wht you think, gender DOES play a role. Do you know what she's a risk for by being struck by someone with that large of a physical disparity? Death or serious bodily injury. Do you know what I'm authorized to use if I believe she's in imminent danger of kicking the bucket or receiving disfiguring broken bones? Deadly force. should I shoot him? You tell me. Would I? Probably not. Why? I have common sense and judgment...this fucker obviously doesn't.
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    As a father of 4, I can understand the man's anger at seeing this.

    Do I think he went overboard, very much so.

    At best she should have given an ass chewing and let it be at that.

    My kids are MY responsibility. Yes, they do interact with the public and if they screw up, it is on me. I will be the one paying to fix something, the court costs etc..Not some joe on the street.

    Now, from a father's standpoint...if my daughter (shes 13 as well) was beaten like that, I would go to jail over the beating I would give him. Everything comes back to you 10 fold there buddy...
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    I'd kick his ass, if he did that to either of my girls. That was a bunch of bull shit! That asshole was way out of line.
    I hope the judge puts him in jail so he can be slapped around by someone bigger than him.

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    Ok... This has been stated, but I'm going to say it again. My 10yo daughter is doing something that stupid and an adult sees her, they need to march her home to me. They lay a hand on her without my permission and I'm gonna club 'em until they cannot stand unassisted. That being said, I'm gonna wallop the hell outta her ass when I get her in the house.

    As an officer, I'm called to the scene and see an older male on top of a juvenile female striking her in the face with a closed fist. I'm gonna take his block off as I tackle him. Possibly be some knees going into uncomfortable places as I subdue him as well. And I'm gonna give him the warning just before I hit him, that way he'll see what's coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg3533 View Post
    Bug Eyed lets look at it this way. If the police were called and an officer did that would you be so inclined to say the officer acted appropriatly? Would it be ok for a police officer to throw a 13 yr old girl on the ground and hit her? I say no, so why is it ok for a citizen to do it? Plus if he did nothing wrong why did he grab a cell phone out of someone elses hands that were trying to call the police??
    No, it wouldn't be appropriate then, nor is what this guy is alleged to have done in the story appropriate. The girl has a swollen eye and says she was punched. She also says she wasn't one throwing bottles. By her story the girls were throwing bottles at each other, not at cars. I'm not inclined to take everything she says at face value. Maybe he did punch her right in the face. Maybe he grabbed her arm, she slipped on the ice and they went down in a heap. We weren't there, didn't see, don't have cell phone camera video and shouldn't assume the worst here any more than in "bad cop" hit pieces.

    Note the witness he took the phone from said she saw them "tangled up".

    It really set me off that this report was written up as "boo hoo, poor innocent little girl got beat up". It's misdemeanor criminal mischief until a driver swerves to miss the the object flying toward their car and hits a pedestrian walking to the bus stop. Or gets nailed in the face with the bottle and loses an eye instead of getting a black eye. Probably they'll just hit the brakes and get rear ended though.

    Just watched the video, not even a black eye. They blurred her face, but that still should have shown up. From the picture he looks like a pretty big guy, she's little - the violence of the assault here seems sensationalized.

    Granted, he shouldn't have touched her at all. I'm glad nobody got seriously hurt here though. And if it turns out he did punch her in the face, fine, then throw the book at him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BugEyedBeast View Post
    No, it wouldn't be appropriate then, nor is what this guy is alleged to have done in the story appropriate. The girl has a swollen eye and says she was punched. She also says she wasn't one throwing bottles. By her story the girls were throwing bottles at each other, not at cars. I'm not inclined to take everything she says at face value. Maybe he did punch her right in the face. Maybe he grabbed her arm, she slipped on the ice and they went down in a heap. We weren't there, didn't see, don't have cell phone camera video and shouldn't assume the worst here any more than in "bad cop" hit pieces.

    Note the witness he took the phone from said she saw them "tangled up".

    It really set me off that this report was written up as "boo hoo, poor innocent little girl got beat up". It's misdemeanor criminal mischief until a driver swerves to miss the the object flying toward their car and hits a pedestrian walking to the bus stop. Or gets nailed in the face with the bottle and loses an eye instead of getting a black eye. Probably they'll just hit the brakes and get rear ended though.

    Just watched the video, not even a black eye. They blurred her face, but that still should have shown up. From the picture he looks like a pretty big guy, she's little - the violence of the assault here seems sensationalized.

    Granted, he shouldn't have touched her at all. I'm glad nobody got seriously hurt here though. And if it turns out he did punch her in the face, fine, then throw the book at him.
    Are you kidding me? You sound more and more like the piece of shit ambulance chasers with each post you make. "Alleged to have done?" Give me a break. Let's look past the fact that my comments about killing the guy assumed truth in the first place, and that I didn't come here to debate the veracity of the article. Bottom line is, if the guy tossed a 13 year old girl on the ground and punched her in the face, he's fucking scum.

    Are you seriously comparing this piece to cop-bashing in the media? Ok...let's look at some facts here. The guy was charged, and JAILED. That means that the officers here determined that there was probable cause to make an arrest. That to me makes this story ten-fold more believeable than some media scum-encrusted officer smear piece.

    Yes, note that the witness HAD HER PHONE TAKEN FROM HER WHILE SHE WAS CALLING POLICE. But you're right...they were only "tangled" (note that's the media's quote, not the witness')...so she must have been trying to dial 411 rather than 911. Gimme a break.

    OH my god, my head's going to explode trying to wrap my mind around how you can begin to defend a 50-something grown man punching a 13-year old girl in the face....REGARDLESS of how the media is painting her (as a victim, rather than a juvenile damaging property).

    Wow. Just wow.
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    JMO... but I think the point here is that this guy had absolutely NO business putting his hands on her in the first place, much less taking her to the ground. Confronting them is one thing, but grabbing them is just stupid. ...and if he did, in fact hit her... now that's just fu**ed up, since I doubt he was in fear for his life. -and- Since he swiped the witness' phone, he obviously knew that something he was doing is wrong. If he really thought he was the good guy here, he wouldve wanted someone to call 911

    bottom line, if all they were doing is throwing shit, he shouldve simply taken notes and called the police, as was stated earlier. (EDIT: if he wanted to put some fear into them and make them stop throwing shit, yelling at them and letting them know that the police are on the way would probably work just fine) He had no business starting any form of physical confrontation, regardless of how much damage/pain he really intended to inflict
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