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    I just embarrassed for the profession when we have cops who have to taze a 10 year old kid because they're either not big enough or just afraid of them. It doesn't say much about how we've evolved.

    It makes me want to puke when I hear some cop whining about officer safety when they're dealing with an unarmed 11 year old girl. I hope to hell they never have kids.
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    My $0.02 - your mileage may vary...

    Florida wouldn't need such a law (and we wouldn't need to taze them) if the little kiddies parents would put a little effort into actually raising the little shits right and disciplining them when they act like asses!

    Then again, I'm talking about a state where some people don't even know how to punch a hole in a pre-punched card with a big fricking poker.

    Which makes me wonder how they had kids in the first place.....

    As for tazing a child - not on my agenda.

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    As for tazing a child - not on my agenda.
    I wouldn't want to taze a kid either and I work in a school..pepper spray is much more fun on them...and even at that I haven't had to use it here at this school anyways. Most of the fights I have had here have stopped by the time I get down the hall anyways..except one..I watched it for a split second as soon as one of the boys got knocked down I grabbed the other one and slammed him against the wall and the one on the ground about got a foot across his face and he realized he didn't want that so he stayed on the ground until I had both of them somewhat calmed down....


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    As you guys go through your career, you'll see stuff like this bill every so often. A good tool is often lost because of the abuse by a few.

    We got cell phones put in our patrol cars. Great idea, until the chief started getting bills for $150K a month for them. What was happening was cops were chatting car to car like a bunch of damn teenagers. They were warned about it repeatedly, but nothing changed. Then you should of heard the pissing and moaning when they were taken out.

    It's the same, or will be the same with tazers. They're a great tool to use on someone you can't handle safely any other way. But as in the cell phones, when common sense isn't applied, the public is going to take them away. And then when you face the drug crazed guy who's 6-4, 240, you ain't gonna have it.

    We used to be able to use the caratoid hold, a great way to subdue anybody. No matter what drugs you were on, if the blood didn't reach the brain, you went night-night. But it started being used helter skelter and people started dying from it. That was a hell of a tool that will never come back.

    It's got nothing to do with how parents raise their kids, etc. It's about using a tool properly and in the correct context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retdetsgt
    We used to be able to use the caratoid hold, a great way to subdue anybody. No matter what drugs you were on, if the blood didn't reach the brain, you went night-night. But it started being used helter skelter and people started dying from it. That was a hell of a tool that will never come back.
    Actually Sarge, one of my Lieutenants on the P.D. I work for uses it....he left several months ago to do the Iraq Policing Mission, but I'll never forget watching him put out the lights of the most uncooperative people literally in a matter of a few seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator
    Actually Sarge, one of my Lieutenants on the P.D. I work for uses it....he left several months ago to do the Iraq Policing Mission, but I'll never forget watching him put out the lights of the most uncooperative people literally in a matter of a few seconds.
    Good, it's a great tool. But it's considered deadly force by a lot of depts, mine included. Nobody around here uses it.

    If you can get your Lt to show you how to do it effectively when he gets back. You can't beat it for taking somebody out. And when they come to, all the fight is gone!
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    I agree here. Common sense should dictate policy, not legislation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdog21
    So why do u think siplin wants to make stun guns illegal for non leos?
    Because they trully are not of use to the open public. You will have people that are not trained in the Use-of-Force trying to tase someone. Hell for that matter how many times do you hear someone say "Let them come in my house or try to enter" "I will just shoot them before they get inside". Its all about liability. Plus the retarded citizens that we all have that think its fun to use pain on everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retdetsgt
    Good, it's a great tool. But it's considered deadly force by a lot of depts, mine included. Nobody around here uses it.

    If you can get your Lt to show you how to do it effectively when he gets back. You can't beat it for taking somebody out. And when they come to, all the fight is gone!
    Oh it's deadly force here too...but that didn't stop him!

    He has shown me how to use it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris2001
    Because they trully are not of use to the open public. You will have people that are not trained in the Use-of-Force trying to tase someone. Hell for that matter how many times do you hear someone say "Let them come in my house or try to enter" "I will just shoot them before they get inside". Its all about liability. Plus the retarded citizens that we all have that think its fun to use pain on everyone.
    what about licensed security officers that a go to taser training thru taser international and get certified in its use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdog21
    what about licensed security officers that a go to taser training thru taser international and get certified in its use?
    I would be very weary about doing that. In general, I would say no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retdetsgt
    <snip> It's got nothing to do with how parents raise their kids, etc. It's about using a tool properly and in the correct context.
    The first sentence, I respectfully disagree. We wouldn't have to consider using tazers on a 8-10 year old if they knew how to behave! And I know, some kids never will learn.

    If I acted like that in public (and this was before tazers), the cops were the least of my worries. When my MOM got a hold of me...

    And using the tools we're given properly - couldn't agree more!

 

 
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