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04-17-07, 10:59 PM #1
Do violent plays by VA Tech mass murderer reveal signs of murderous tendencies?
Do you think these violent plays written by VA Tech mass murderer Cho Seung Hui reveal signs of his murderous tendencies?
Here are the plays:
Professor: Shooter's writing dripped with anger
POSTED: 9:44 p.m. EDT, April 17, 2007
Story Highlights• NEW: Former English department chair pulled Cho Seung-Hui out of class
• NEW: Professor tried teaching student one-on-one
• Gun shop owner says Glock 19 was legally purchased 36 days ago
• Police say one of the guns recovered was used in both shooting incidents
BLACKSBURG, Virginia (CNN) -- A year and a half before before Cho Seung-Hui went on a deadly shooting spree on the campus of Virginia Tech, a professor was so concerned about his anger that she took him out of another teacher's creative writing class and taught him one-on-one.
The former chairwoman of Virginia Tech's English department, Lucinda Roy, said the anger Cho expressed was palpable if not explicit.
Cho, an English major, never wrote about guns or killing people,, she said. But his writing was disturbing enough that she went to police and other university officials to seek help. (Watch the professor tell how her student frightened her )
"The threats seemed to be underneath the surface," she said. "They were not explicit and that was the difficulty the police had."
"My argument was that he seemed so disturbed that we needed to do something about this."
Without a clear threat, nothing could be done, however, and Roy made the decision to instruct him away from other students.
"I just felt I was between a rock and a hard place," she said. "It seemed the only alternative was to send him back to the classroom, and I wouldn't do it."
While teaching Cho one-on-one, Roy said she "made it clear that that kind of writing was unacceptable and he needed to write in another voice."
She also said that she encouraged Cho to go to counseling, and believed that he may have "gotten tired of hearing it" and begun to tell her he had been going when, perhaps, he had not.
Cho was an intelligent student, Roy said, but he left students and professors alike unnerved in his presence.
Police say Cho killed at least 30 people and wounded 17 others before killing himself in Norris Hall, an engineering classroom building, Monday.
According to a search warrant, police found a note in Norris Hall containing a bomb threat directed at engineering buildings on the campus. During a three-week period before the shootings, the university received two other bomb threat notes, and police are investigating to see if those threats were related to the shooting. (Watch how the note threatens engineering buildings)
It's also believed the 23-year-old student killed two other people earlier that day in a dormitory on campus. (Watch how some are asking why warnings weren't issued sooner )
Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said ballistics tests show that one of the two guns recovered at Norris Hall was used at the dorm. (Watch what police were looking for in Cho's room )
'Twisted, macabre violence'
Ian MacFarlane, who said he had class with Cho, called two plays Cho wrote "very graphic" and "extremely disturbing."
MacFarlane provided a copy of the writings to AOL where he is an employee. (Read MacFarlane's blog and the two plays)
"It was like something out of a nightmare," MacFarlane wrote in a blog. "The plays had really twisted, macabre violence that used weapons I wouldn't have even thought of.
"Before Cho got to class that day, we students were talking to each other with serious worry about whether he could be a school shooter."
Cho paid $571 for a 9 mm Glock 19 pistol just over a month ago, the owner of Roanoke Firearms told CNN Tuesday. He also used a .22-caliber Walther pistol in the attack, police said. (Interactive: The weapons used in the shootings)
John Markell said Cho was very low-key when he purchased the Glock and 50 rounds of ammunition with a credit card in an "unremarkable" purchase.
Cho presented three forms of identification and did not say why he wanted the gun, Markell said. (Watch how quickly these guns can be fired, reloaded )
State police conducted an instant background check that probably took about a minute, the store owner said.
Markell said he was shocked when three agents from the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms arrived at his store Monday with the receipt for the weapon.
04-17-07, 11:23 PM #2
Do violent plays by VA Tech mass murderer reveal signs of murderous tendencies?
Compared to cop humor probably not.
We won’t even go into military humor.
What about Wes Craven or Steven King?
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04-17-07, 11:29 PM #3
I just read the article and both of those plays. Its crazy that the school officials didnt do anything else other than take him away from the other students to teach him! They should have called the police or at least some type of school counselor as soon as these plays were read and presented to a class and teachers.
But the plays werent that graphic, the red light should have came on to SOMEONE when it said all the stuff about killing though. There is no room left for ignorance in schools......you have to be overly cautious. At my college last week on Thursday morning at 1AM a kid stabbed a girl to death because she dumped him. It happened just off-campus.
Last edited by blackcamaro8895; 04-17-07 at 11:32 PM.
04-18-07, 02:47 AM #4
Thought-policing isn't going to do anything to prevent evil people from doing evil things. We can't pass some new law to get rid of evil, and we can't start punishing people based on an assumption that they might do something evil in the future.
The best you can do is prepare yourself for the day that evil comes for you, and resolve to defend your life at all costs."I'm not a coward,
I've just never been tested
I'd like to think that if I was,
I would pass"
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04-18-07, 08:38 AM #7
04-18-07, 11:42 AM #8
The police were notified of his other writings, but as there were no direct threats, no laws were broken.
And you can't make someone go into counseling. All she could do was offer - repeatedly - to escort him to the counseling office.Molly Weasley makes Chuck Norris eat his vegetables.
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04-18-07, 12:01 PM #9The best you can do is prepare yourself for the day that evil comes for you, and resolve to defend your life at all costs.
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04-18-07, 12:37 PM #10
04-20-07, 09:24 PM #11
Here's Stephen King's take on the issue:
On Predicting Violence
In the wake of the Virginia Tech murders, novelist and Entertainment Weekly contributing editor Stephen King comments on the connection between violent writing and violent acts
KING ''Certainly in this sensitized day and age, my own college writing would have raised red flags, and I'm certain someone would have tabbed me as mentally ill because of them.''
PHOTOGRAPH BY AMY GUIPBy Stephen King Stephen King
EDITORS' NOTE: In the wake of the Virginia Tech murders and subsequent reports that Cho Seung-Hui had raised alarms in the English department with his writing, we asked novelist and Entertainment Weekly contributing editor Stephen King for his thoughts on the links between the creative process and violence. Where, exactly, does one draw the line between imagination and disturbing expression that should raise red flags?
I've thought about it, of course. Certainly in this sensitized day and age, my own college writing — including a short story called ''Cain Rose Up'' and the novel RAGE — would have raised red flags, and I'm certain someone would have tabbed me as mentally ill because of them, even though I interacted in class, never took pictures of girls' legs with my cell phone (in 1970, WHAT cell phones?), and never signed my work with a ?.
As a teacher, I had one student — I will call him George — who raised red flags galore in my own mind: stories about flaying women alive, dismemberment, and, the capper, ''getting back at THEM.'' George was very quiet, and verbally inarticulate. It was only in his written work that he spewed these relentless scenes of gore and torture. His job was in the University Bookstore, and when I inquired about him once, I was told he was a good worker, but ''quiet.'' I thought, ''Whoa, if some kid is ever gonna blow, it'll be this one.'' He never did. But that was in the days before a gun-totin' serial killer could get top billing on the Nightly News and possibly the covers of national magazines.
For most creative people, the imagination serves as an excretory channel for violence: We visualize what we will never actually do (James Patterson, for instance, a nice man who has all too often worked the street that my old friend George used to work). Cho doesn't strike me as in the least creative, however. Dude was crazy. Dude was, in the memorable phrasing of Nikki Giovanni, ''just mean.'' Essentially there's no story here, except for a paranoid a--hole who went DEFCON-1. He may have been inspired by Columbine, but only because he was too dim to think up such a scenario on his own.
On the whole, I don't think you can pick these guys out based on their work, unless you look for violence unenlivened by any real talent.
Posted Apr 20, 2007
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