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    A boy dies, and a gun debate is reignited
    Holdup victim had concealed-carry permit
    Tuesday, April 24, 2007

    Damon Wells is the man gun supporters were imagining when they fought for the right to carry concealed weapons.

    He had a permit to carry his gun, and he had the gun on him when a pair of teenage thieves approached him Saturday night on his front porch in Cleveland.

    When one of the youths pulled a gun, Wells drew his and shot one of the boys several times in the chest, police said. Arthur Buford, 15, died after stumbling away and collapsing on a sidewalk near East 134th Street and Kinsman Road.

    City prosecutors decided Monday that Wells, 25, was justified and would not be charged for what appears to be the first time a concealed-carry permit holder has shot and killed an attacker.

    Nonetheless, the shooting reignited the debate that flared three years ago when Ohio's concealed-carry law took effect.

    Gun supporters said the weapon saved Wells' life. Opponents said it took Buford's - that the 15-year-old might be alive if a citizen had not been armed. [Damn good chance he'd be alive if he didn't go out to rob someone, don'tcha think?]

    An angry throng of about 30 youths gathered Monday and set up a memorial at the intersection where Buford, a freshman at John F. Kennedy High School, died.

    His cousin, Tameka Foster, 21, questioned why police did not punish Buford's shooter.

    "They let that man run out freely," Foster said. "My cousin is dead."

    Buford's accomplice disappeared after the shooting and had not been caught as of Monday night. Police found a .38-caliber handgun in the mail chute of a nearby house. They believe it belonged to Buford or the other suspect, Lt. Thomas Stacho said.

    Police took a .40-caliber Smith and Wesson firearm from Wells as evidence, the police report shows.

    Both sides of the gun debate said it was sad that a teenager died.

    "It's tragic," said Jim Irvine, chairman of the Buckeye Firearms Association. "Anytime somebody dies, it's tragic, but it's hard to have any sympathy when he chose to have a gun and go threaten somebody's life."

    Irvine said it was "great that a potential victim is able to continue his life instead of having a criminal take it."

    Toby Hoover, of the Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence, said she had not heard of any other fatal shooting involving a concealed-carry permit holder.

    "This is one of the few where they actually used it to stop a crime," Hoover said.

    But, she said, "there's still a dead kid here." [dead armed robber, boo hoo]

    A man who answered a phone number for Wells refused to comment and hung up. No one answered the door at Wells' home.

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    I wonder how big the holes where?????????
    9mm, 38, 40, 45????

    Poor faggot got shot trying to breach another person! fuck him.

    kudos to the civi !!!!!!!!

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    Man defends his life against thugs who threatened to kill him. Unless drawing down on someone means something else now? Oh, I'm sorry, he probably just pulled the weapon to intimidate the guy. Yeah, right. He was really minding his own business, probably about to deliver food to the elderly. Yeah, that's it. The poor little angel never hurt anyone and attended church with his grandma three days a week, twice on sundays.

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    watch out...Warning Democrats ahead

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    victim alive
    bad guy dead
    bad guy not able to victimize any body else

    still trying to find problem.

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    Gun supporters said the weapon saved Wells' life. Opponents said it took Buford's - that the 15-year-old might be alive if a citizen had not been armed.

    Both "supporters" and "opponents" in that statement are correct. Sounds to me like the media is trying to stir up a shit storm where one isn't. The only people that are mourning the loss of the dirtbag is his family. The rest of society understands that the world is sans one dirtbag because of the victim's right to carry a firearm.
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    A similar thing happened with a guy that shoots in our matches - He shot a 16-year-old with a .44 Magnum in the chest when the kid pulled a 9mm on him in his apartment parking lot.

    Luckily for the kid, he'd been to the range where he'd been shooting light loads, and hadn't put his good bullets back in.

    He was sweating for a while, because the kid ran and threw the gun behind some bushes before he collapsed - It took an hour to find it, and they caught his girlfriend looking for it too, according to him. Good thing the cops found the gun before she did.

    But here in Dallas, it got a small story in the paper and that's about it. You can still see the story in Google by searching "irving shooting"
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    My prayers and sympathies go out to Mr. Wells, who now must find some solace. He, in fact is the victim, and has to cope with being forced to take the life of someone so young in defense of his own.

    "They let that man run out freely," Foster said. "My cousin is dead."
    I'll file that quote in the DILLIGAF basket...
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    Good riddance to the 15 year old POS!

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    Excuse me Mr. Policeman, can I have my gun back now, I have to cut a notch in the handle.


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