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    Angry Student charged for writing violent essay

    High school senior says he was just following the assignment

    CARY, Ill. - Authorities have filed a second disorderly conduct charge against a high school senior arrested for writing an essay officials described as disturbing and inappropriate.

    Allen Lee, 18, of Cary was arrested earlier this week after penning the essay at his northern Illinois high school. Lee contends he was just following the creative writing assignment he was given in class at Cary-Grove High School.

    Lee initially faced just one charge, but an amended complaint filed Thursday cited a second passage.

    According to the complaint, the essay reads, in part, "Blood, sex and booze. Drugs, drugs, drugs are fun. Stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, s...t...a...b...puke. So I had this dream last night where I went into a building, pulled out two P90s and started shooting everyone, then had sex with the dead bodies. Well, not really, but it would be funny if I did."

    Another passage said, "as a teacher, don't be surprised on inspiring the first CG shooting," the complaint said.

    The creative writing assignment in Lee's English class on Monday instructed students to "write whatever comes to your mind. Do not judge or censor what you are writing," according to a copy of the assignment.

    "In creative writing, you're told to exaggerate," Lee said. "It was supposed to be just junk. ... There definitely is violent content, but they're taking it out of context and making it something it isn't."

    Lee has been removed from school, and District 155 spokesman Jeff Puma said the district is evaluating Lee's punishment while he attends an offsite learning program in the school district.

    "It wasn't just violent or foul language," Puma said. "It went beyond that."

    Lee's attorney, Dane Loizzo, said his client was within the parameters of the assignment.

    "A stream of consciousness seems to be the goal of the assignment," Loizzo said. He said Lee has never been disciplined in school and signed Marine enlistment papers last week.

    His father, Albert Lee, has defended his son as a straight-A student who was just following instructions and contends the school overreacted. However, Albert Lee has said he understands the situation because of what happened last week at Virginia Tech when student Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 students and faculty members before committing suicide.

    The charges against Lee could result in a possible $1,500 fine and up to 30 days in jail if he is convicted.

    Cary is about 40 miles west of Chicago.


    Where is the aclu?
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    What is her charged with, abusing the first amendment?

    The problem is he's an A student going into the US Marines.

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    you know this really pisses me off...
    when i was in high school i had a teacher tell us in english class to write what ever it is we feel today and dont edit it...

    she freaked out at what i wrote

    i was like wtf.. its what you TOLD us to do!!!

    then in college I did the same thing in a free write class and they thought it was awsome... I had a's and a 4.0 in college yet in high school i had usually c's and d's.

    wtf do these adults think is on kids minds????? sex violence and drugs.... and so one chose to write about it and now he is treated like this??????

    ok where are all my mary fucking poppins kids...
    only mary fucking poppins kids in this ladys class

    damn i feel like going mary poppins on her ass lol
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    As vulgar as I think it is, I don't think he should be charged with disorderly conduct for this. He didn't make an actual written threat, and was exercising his 1st Amendment right.

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    He shouldn't be charged with nothing. I wonder if anyone took a minute to talk to the kid and get his side of the story first. Probably not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXPO710 View Post
    Didn't you know? Only police can violate someones civil rights, everyone else is OK.
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    Complete and total BS. Shame on the Police Officers that filed that charge. If a school brought that before me, I'd point them to their own civics classes and remind them the part about the first amendment.
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    I understand the first amendment right and I believe that this is being blown way out of proportion. However. I would have suspended the kid and pulled him from the class until I could have him evaluated in depth. I think the charge was a heavy handed and not at all thought out, but I am not sure this should have just been slapped under the "protected as free speech" label.
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    Disorderly conduct will be thrown out, without a doubt. This was a school assignment, not a public posting.

    Can't criminally charge bad taste...

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    Free speech isn't a label. It's a right of every US Citizen. The most the teacher should have done was inform the parents of the student about the content of his paper, then grade it accordingly. If the parents thought that their child needed help, then they get it for him. But whatever the student was (or was not) encouraged to write is not a crime.

    If an adult had written that stuff down and been arrested for it, every ACLU lackey in the country would have descended on the agency that arrested him like crows to a corpse.

    That's all I'm gonna say. Any article that shows the incompetence of the public education system always gets my blood boiling. Public schools nowadays are nothing but a tool for the left and it's "zero tolerance" policies weaken this country with every student they wussify.
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    Until government gets its footing regarding how to deal with psychos like the VT shooter, there are going to be plenty of cases like this that pop up. Unfortunately, I'm sure some will result in suspension of high school kids who are only guilty of being a smart ass an instance of bad judgment.

    The problem is what happens if it is ignored, and all of the sudden the kid pops someone? Mothers of America will freak sue everyone on the planet.

    I like the good old days where if I did something bad, my old man got a phone call from school, and there was a very large boot waiting to be placed up my ass when I got home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taribor View Post
    Until government gets its footing regarding how to deal with psychos like the VT shooter, there are going to be plenty of cases like this that pop up. Unfortunately, I'm sure some will result in suspension of high school kids who are only guilty of being a smart ass an instance of bad judgment.
    Which then, in many cases, sets into motion the self fulfilling prophecy cycle where the student then rebels against the punishment. Same applies to other asinine Zero Thinking policies.

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    I like the good old days where if I did something bad, my old man got a phone call from school, and there was a very large boot waiting to be placed up my ass when I got home.
    Me too.

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    More info on the case.





    Marines drop student over violent essay
    Senior with straight A's says he was just following the assignment
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    Updated: 11:34 p.m. ET April 27, 2007

    CARY, Ill. - Allen Lee was on the verge of realizing a dream to become a Marine after signing enlistment papers this month. But one violent, profanity-laced English essay later, the 18-year-old’s future with the Marine Corps appears to be over.

    Because of pending criminal charges stemming from his essay, Lee’s recruiter told him Friday that the Marine Corps has discharged him from his contract, said Sgt. Luis R. Agostini, spokesman for the Marine Corps Recruiting Station Chicago.

    “Basically, he is no longer an applicant to become a Marine,” Agostini said.

    The senior at suburban Cary-Grove High School was charged this week with two misdemeanor counts of disorderly conduct after the principal turned his creative writing essay over to police.

    Prosecutors cite Va. Tech
    Lee initially faced just one charge, but an amended complaint filed Thursday cited a second passage.

    “In light of recent events (at Virginia Tech), that is part of the context of what happened that makes the reaction all the more reasonable,” said Tom Carroll, first assistant state’s attorney in McHenry County.

    Lee, who has a 4.2 grade-point average and never has been in trouble before, is being tutored at administrative offices while school officials decide his future, said his lawyer, Thomas Loizzo.

    The charges are a product of paranoia, born of the massacre of 32 students at Virginia Tech by a social outcast who then killed himself, Loizzo said.

    “Once the dust settles, once they look at this through clearer glasses, we think that the state will do the right thing and dismiss the charges,” Loizzo said.

    The essay, written Monday, reads in part, “Blood, sex and booze. Drugs, drugs, drugs are fun. Stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, s...t...a...b...puke. So I had this dream last night where I went into a building, pulled out two P90s and started shooting everyone, then had sex with the dead bodies. Well, not really, but it would be funny if I did.”

    Assignment: ‘Be creative’
    The teacher told students: “‘Be creative; there will be no judgment and no censorship,”’ Thomas Loizzo said. “There was never any warning from the teacher that if she determined the paper to be offensive, she would then pass it along to the authorities.”

    School district spokesman Jeff Puma declined to discuss the specifics of the essay or Lee’s future, citing privacy concerns.

    “The essay was inappropriate in that it caused a question about safety,” Puma said.

    The charges could result in a $1,500 fine and as many as 30 days in jail if Lee is convicted.


    Lee hopes to re-enlist if the charges are cleared and he’s allowed to return to school, said his other attorney, Dane Loizzo.

    Lee wrote in a statement provided by his attorney that he has completed military entrance exams, including a psychiatric evaluation.

    “If I’m qualified to defend the country, I believe I’m qualified to attend school,” he wrote.
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    Sounds to me the kid is smart as a whip. As for the teacher...if you don't want it don't ask for it.
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    I hope the Air Force jumps in to recruit this kid. 4.2 GPA with a clean history outside of a creative writing piece at the end of his senior year? I distinctly remember doing the more daring pieces then, when the grade was pretty much cemented in and I didn't think I was in jeopardy of reprisal. Most that should have happened was the teacher (maybe guidance councellor) having a talk with the kid to make sure he's sane and really was just following the spirit of the assignment.
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    Yes...that is DEFINITELY the way to prevent a mass shooting. Pull a kid out of school, charge him with a crime that it appears he did not committ, and then tell him his lifelong dream of becoming a Marine is now dead all because his pain-in-the-balls, hatchetfaced teacher freaked out over an assignment SHE GAVE HIM!!!!!! Definitely can't see this guy getting all disgruntled and shit and shooting up the school now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw View Post
    Yes...that is DEFINITELY the way to prevent a mass shooting. Pull a kid out of school, charge him with a crime that it appears he did not committ, and then tell him his lifelong dream of becoming a Marine is now dead all because his pain-in-the-balls, hatchetfaced teacher freaked out over an assignment SHE GAVE HIM!!!!!! Definitely can't see this guy getting all disgruntled and shit and shooting up the school now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piggybank Cop View Post
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    CARY, Ill. - Allen Lee was on the verge of realizing a dream to become a Marine after signing enlistment papers this month. But one violent, profanity-laced English essay later, the 18-year-old’s future with the Marine Corps appears to be over.
    Can that really happen? Can his Marine career really be over from one silly senior paper?

    “In light of recent events (at Virginia Tech), that is part of the context of what happened that makes the reaction all the more reasonable,” said Tom Carroll, first assistant state’s attorney in McHenry County.

    Lee, who has a 4.2 grade-point average and never has been in trouble before, is being tutored at administrative offices while school officials decide his future, said his lawyer, Thomas Loizzo.
    Yes....This is EXACTLY the kind of student I figured would kill 32 students for no reason....Whatever!!!!!

    The charges are a product of paranoia, born of the massacre of 32 students at Virginia Tech by a social outcast who then killed himself, Loizzo said.

    “Once the dust settles, once they look at this through clearer glasses, we think that the state will do the right thing and dismiss the charges,” Loizzo said.
    This is a different person and a different situation. There should be NO reason why they aren't "looking through clear glass" from the beginning.

    The essay, written Monday, reads in part, “Blood, sex and booze. Drugs, drugs, drugs are fun. Stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, s...t...a...b...puke. So I had this dream last night where I went into a building, pulled out two P90s and started shooting everyone, then had sex with the dead bodies. Well, not really, but it would be funny if I did.”
    Yes, this is wierd. But no reason to try and Fu(k up dreams.

    Assignment: ‘Be creative’
    The teacher told students: “‘Be creative; there will be no judgment and no censorship,”’ Thomas Loizzo said. “There was never any warning from the teacher that if she determined the paper to be offensive, she would then pass it along to the authorities.”

    School district spokesman Jeff Puma declined to discuss the specifics of the essay or Lee’s future, citing privacy concerns.

    “The essay was inappropriate in that it caused a question about safety,” Puma said.
    Who's safety did they fear for? Did he ever make threats to hurt anyone? Not from what we know right?!?!


    The charges could result in a $1,500 fine and as many as 30 days in jail if Lee is convicted.


    Lee hopes to re-enlist if the charges are cleared and he’s allowed to return to school, said his other attorney, Dane Loizzo.

    Lee wrote in a statement provided by his attorney that he has completed military entrance exams, including a psychiatric evaluation.

    “If I’m qualified to defend the country, I believe I’m qualified to attend school,” he wrote.
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    With all due respect, while this young man may be intelligent, I'd say he lacks some common sense. Yes, the teacher lacks some common sense as well. The teacher was foolish for giving such an assignment, especially given the current social mores. That being said, the student should have had the forethought to realize how being a smartass in this manner (IF, in fact, he really was joking) could have serious consequences. I do agree that criminal charges seem extreme in this matter. It could be seen as a matter of "damned if you do, damned if you don't"... As was previously posted, if school and law officials did nothing, and this kid goes off and shoots anyone, the community would be in an uproar. Seems to me that the officials are choosing to err on the side of caution.

    The reality is, even with a psychological evaluation, we can't truly tell what is going on in this kids head. Ultimately, I think he should have used some common sense, thereby preventing this entire drama.
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