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05-04-07, 01:18 AM #1
C.O. Helps Juvenile Escape
I have removed the identifiers because of first hand information i am commenting on in order to be able to give background to ask question and dont want bit over it .
XXXXXXXXX XX .- XXXX Police arrested a man who they said helped a convicted rapist escape state custody.
Police said XX XX helped 16-year-old Jonathon T. escape DCS custody Friday while receiving medical treatment.
XX was charged with facilitating the escape of a juvenile.
Officers caught T. in XXXXXXX Tuesday night. XX has been released on bond.
What bothers me so much about this , is i know XX through a friend in which we had a discussion about XX who is 20 dating a 15 yr old and my concern was two fold , their ages but more importantly , his job and any relationship with a 15 yr old just is wrong . I was told nothing would happen with his job and no one would care because they are close ? in age etc and it wouldnt last long anyway , but to me that wasnt the point , this guy had a law enforcement job and is suppose to be an adult .
XX works in the juvenile corrections facility , he has his own place but yet he hangs with teenagers still in high school,has them to his house for sleep overs , out drinking and various other things of questionable activities , he does not hang around with adults or anyone over 21 , he is in a very adult oriented occupation and he escorted T and then removed the shackles , cuffs , etc and let him go according to his statement. After the incident , he sent text messages to friends then turned hisself in and admitted what he had done . The basis is that he felt sorry for the kid and assisted him in many ways .
My point in posting this is to ask , Why are 18 + yr olds used in a juvenile correctional facility ,why wouldnt they use persons with more life experience say 25 and over ?
My other question is to C.O.'s , if one of your young employees off duty life was questionable to you, would it matter in his job ?
Please know that i have known several young and good c.o.'s who were able to handle the job extremely well but lately there have been a few instances that have made me wonder about age factor.
05-04-07, 02:08 AM #2
My feelings to why they hire young people is simple, the pay.
I know from my own experience when I was a CO they hired many 18 and 19 yr olds simply because of the high turnover. Every time they would hire someone, somebody would quit for a job making more money. I too have been around many young CO's who take a lot of pride in thier job and do thier job extremely well, Unfortunately, way too many of them become "friends" with the inmates and allow them to use them. Not only for escapes, but also for smuggling drugs or sex, which was the big thing where I worked.
I personally do not have a problem with prisons hireing young people. For most it is a stepping stone into LE. Like LE it is not for everybody and the acts of the bad ones should not, but does, reflect on the good ones.
05-04-07, 02:44 AM #3
Thank You ISO , great points
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05-04-07, 01:23 PM #4
Employee charged with aiding rapist's escape
By D. FRANK SMITH/Staff Writer
A 19-year-old is charged with facilitating the escape of a convicted teen rapist by providing him with a handcuff key and a detailed, hand-drawn map of an escape route.
Devin Dickey, 19, told authorities he provided a handcuff key and hand drawn map to Jonathan Tice, 16, which facilitated his escape from Department of Children’s Services’ custody April 27.
Tice was being held at the Middle Tennessee Juvenile Detention Center while awaiting transfer to another facility. He was convicted in 2005 of raping a minor and aggravated robbery.
Dickie, an employee at the juvenile facility, told Columbia Police Sgt. Rick Miller he felt sorry for Tice after the teen told him a “sob story” about his mother. Miller said he was skeptical of the story.
“He told (Dickie) a sob story about his mother and said he wanted to visit her,” Miller said. “I don’t care what the reason was, there’s no excuse for what he did.”
Dickie provided Tice with a key that would remove his shackles when transported to the Department of Health on Blythewood Avenue Friday at 1 p.m., Miller said.
The 19-year-old also drew a map from the Department of Health to railroad tracks that lead to the little league baseball park on Lion Parkway, where he was scheduled to meet Tice following his escape.
“They had a plan set up to pick the young man up and take him to Nashville,” Miller said. “But I think we sort of spoiled that for him because we surrounded that area and as we were looking for him they had to divert that.”
A Lewis County deputy foiled the teens’ plans when he saw Tice fleeing on the railroad tracks and gave chase before losing sight of Tice, Miller said.
“We had that place covered within two minutes,” he said.
Tice’s whereabouts for the following seven hours are unknown, but around 8 p.m. he convinced a woman at the baseball park to let him borrow her cell phone. Tice made a call to Dickie, who then picked him up in his pick-up, and the teens headed to Nashville.
Following the incident, Miller said the woman who provided the cell phone gave a description of Dickie’s vehicle. He then made calls to Dickie, who came in voluntarily and was “very forthcoming” with information.
“He said he knew he’d made a mistake,” Miller said.
Dickie was arrested and brought to the Maury County Jail Wednesday where he remains jailed in lieu of $10,000 bond.
Tice was discovered by Metro authorities at his girlfriend’s home in Bellevue Wednesday and was arrested and brought to Woodland Hills juvenile facilities in Nashville.
Metro authorities said they believe Tice may have committed another rape while on the loose this week
05-04-07, 01:45 PM #5
since ive become a member to this forum,ive seen these types of posts every couple months. so there are some big differences that have to be cleared up, when it comes to correctional system and its employees. a state correctional system hires 21 and older due to the federal mandating this for [peace officer] status. which is mandatory for armed posts. so they can be indemnified if they have to kill an inmate in the line of duty. county prisons are considered minimums so the age is lowered to 19 and the background investigation a bit lenient.
no matter what branch,corrections,police,bail iff,whether its state,local,county or federal. these stories will always surface because as LEOs we are scrutinized .and we should be,we are held to a higher standard and have to answer to the public. i do also beleive that for most people the power you have as an LEO is a bit overwhelming for a 19-21 YO. this either goes to their head or like ISO said...lose their bearings. I for one beleive that all LEO positions should be 21 and over. but a lot of county facilities arent in a position to do this due to funds. which inherently lets a lot of questionable characters into these departments. his fellow officers should have noticed this and made it apparent ot his superiors. as a state CO..we live in a seriously dangerous world. the average public has no concept of what we deal with daily. i am surrounded and out manned in a world of convicted serial killers,rapists,murderers, and predators of all types.it is very seldom that you find this type of action happening in a state or federal prison. and we all do our best to correct and help our young officers to not fall into position in which this could happen.
Last edited by drillsgt98th; 05-04-07 at 01:52 PM.
WHO NEEDS C.E.R.T.??...WHEN YOU HAVE US S.H.U. OFFICERS DOIN IT EVERY DAY!
05-04-07, 02:15 PM #6
This is one time i hate being right about something . I remember talking/debating to a female friend who defended his actions not more than a month ago and i spoke to him , he wanted to go on into the p.d. and he said all the right things , however his personal off time judgements had me shaking my head saying he wont make it and he didnt . He also through the 15 yr old girl knew my opinions and still continued on . oh well .
I am wondering now if he will only get probation out of this ?
I appreciate your clearing up about correctional system employees , thank you .
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05-04-07, 06:48 PM #8
I don't see a problem hiring someone that age at a county facility. I was 20 when I started at our county jail.
I do have a problem with him hanging out with high school/teenage kids though. I'm only 21 now (yeah yeah, spare me), and have friends who are 18,19,20 yoa.
Because I'm in LE now, I don't hang out with them when they're drinking. They normally have a house party or something, and I'm always invited, but that puts me in a REAL bad spot. So, no, he should not be hanging out with kids that age, and he should DEFINETLY not be dating a 15 yo. Depending on the type of relationship they have, that's statutory rape in MN.No one has greater love than this, to lay down ones life for ones friends - John 15:13
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05-04-07, 09:56 PM #9
You are exactly my point jmur , you are that age and you have an adult attitude and you know how to handle the responsibility , and he didnt which he should of .
His myspace reeks of simply young teens .
Ducky , i agree that makes me ill to think about also .
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