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    What do you think of President Bush commuting Scooter Libby's sentence?

    What do you think of President Bush commuting Scooter Libby's sentence, and why?

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    what i found the most funny was the fact that 'Hillary' had something to say about it and it wasn't all that cool... ummmmmm ROFLMAO... how many friggin people did they pardon?
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    Should be a pardon. But a step in the right direction. The entire case was a political spectacle -- a multi-year long investigation into a crime that never occurred and never could have occurred. Plame's status didn't satisfy the condition of the relevant statute necessary for a crime to have been committed. Fitzgerald knew that. The DOJ gave him completely unchecked power, and he used it to drag Libby repeatedly before a grand jury until inconsistencies surfaced in his testimony -- inconsistencies not much different than the ones in the memory of the prosecution's own witnesses! Armitage, meanwhile, who was responsible for the leak, has received virtually no criticism from the left or from the media. Nor, of course, has he received attention from the legal system – which makes sense, given that a crime never occurred. From top to bottom the case was a disgrace and a mockery of justice.

    Sandy Burglar stole classified documents pertaining to the worst terrorist attack in US history from the national archives, hid them under a construction trailer, and later destroyed them. He ought to be in jail, and if not for cowardly Republican leadership, he would be. Instead, he received no jail time, a fine smaller than Scooter Libby's, and any hope for the truth about the documents he stole to emerge has been all but lost forever. I’m sick of the entire case, I’m sick of the Republican party for not having the fortitude to fight for Scooter Libby, I’m sick of the Democratic party for their phony concern about justice in America, and I’m sick that a man who dedicated plenty of his life to quietly serving his country has had his career destroyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gozling View Post
    ... how many friggin people did they pardon?
    The number was close to 400.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewtx View Post
    Should be a pardon. But a step in the right direction. The entire case was a political spectacle -- a multi-year long investigation into a crime that never occurred and never could have occurred. Plame's status didn't satisfy the condition of the relevant statute necessary for a crime to have been committed. Fitzgerald knew that. The DOJ gave him completely unchecked power, and he used it to drag Libby repeatedly before a grand jury until inconsistencies surfaced in his testimony -- inconsistencies not much different than the ones in the memory of the prosecution's own witnesses! Armitage, meanwhile, who was responsible for the leak, has received virtually no criticism from the left or from the media. Nor, of course, has he received attention from the legal system which makes sense, given that a crime never occurred. From top to bottom the case was a disgrace and a mockery of justice.

    Sandy Burglar stole classified documents pertaining to the worst terrorist attack in US history from the national archives, hid them under a construction trailer, and later destroyed them. He ought to be in jail, and if not for cowardly Republican leadership, he would be. Instead, he received no jail time, a fine smaller than Scooter Libby's, and any hope for the truth about the documents he stole to emerge has been all but lost forever. Im sick of the entire case, Im sick of the Republican party for not having the fortitude to fight for Scooter Libby, Im sick of the Democratic party for their phony concern about justice in America, and Im sick that a man who dedicated plenty of his life to quietly serving his country has had his career destroyed.
    I'd love to throw in a good rant here, but Andrew just spoke volumes. Excellent post.

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    I have mixed feelings. Libby was used, and the people responsible wanted him to throw himself on the sword...he chose not to take the fall.

    However, despite the many hairs some wish to split about Valerie Plame's status, she was a covert operative. Her name was revealed for petty, and political reasons. It was an act that lacked honor and integrity.

    My mother spent 30+ years as a civil servant. She had to be cleared to work with highly classified materials. She had to give the name of any man she dated, for them to be checked. She went thru mandatory ethics training every year. She had to avoid the the appearance of unethical behavior at all times. She swore, and renewed an oath to serve her country.

    I'm really disturbed by how some have tried to justify what happened, and claim his years of service as mitigating in some way. He was reckless with the career of another "servant" of our government, and by doing so, may have put the lives and work of countless others at risk.

    I'm sure the many players in this travesty never gave a single thought to the "big picture." This was all a swipe at Joe Wilson as payback, and to discredit him. Shame on them. The security of our nation should be paramount to all of us, no matter what party affiliation is claimed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PDawg View Post
    I have mixed feelings. Libby was used, and the people responsible wanted him to throw himself on the sword...he chose not to take the fall.

    However, despite the many hairs some wish to split about Valerie Plame's status, she was a covert operative. Her name was revealed for petty, and political reasons. It was an act that lacked honor and integrity.

    My mother spent 30+ years as a civil servant. She had to be cleared to work with highly classified materials. She had to give the name of any man she dated, for them to be checked. She went thru mandatory ethics training every year. She had to avoid the the appearance of unethical behavior at all times. She swore, and renewed an oath to serve her country.

    I'm really disturbed by how some have tried to justify what happened, and claim his years of service as mitigating in some way. He was reckless with the career of another "servant" of our government, and by doing so, may have put the lives and work of countless others at risk.

    I'm sure the many players in this travesty never gave a single thought to the "big picture." This was all a swipe at Joe Wilson as payback, and to discredit him. Shame on them. The security of our nation should be paramount to all of us, no matter what party affiliation is claimed.
    Respectfully, I must disagree. We know who outed Plame, and it was Richard Armitage. The special prosecutor knew that within the first few days of the trial, and said nothing. Even the judge who sentenced Libby said Libby had no knowledge of Plames status. Joe Wilson was/is a fraud and a liar. Yet he was never asked to testify under oath. Let us not forget there was another government official who was convicted of perjury, and disbarred. Yet no jail time, probation or fine was ever levied. That person was one William Jefferson Clinton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc_Holliday View Post
    Respectfully, I must disagree. We know who outed Plame, and it was Richard Armitage. The special prosecutor knew that within the first few days of the trial, and said nothing. Even the judge who sentenced Libby said Libby had no knowledge of Plames status. Joe Wilson was/is a fraud and a liar. Yet he was never asked to testify under oath. Let us not forget there was another government official who was convicted of perjury, and disbarred. Yet no jail time, probation or fine was ever levied. That person was one William Jefferson Clinton.
    I was expressing my own opinion on the situation. Libby was made the scapegoat for the actions of others, but he didn't play the game. Bush declared a full on hunt, and that meant someone needed to be turfed out. It's all politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDawg View Post
    I was expressing my own opinion on the situation. Libby was made the scapegoat for the actions of others, but he didn't play the game. Bush declared a full on hunt, and that meant someone needed to be turfed out. It's all politics.

    There are no excuses for unethical behavior.
    Of course, I would completely agree PD. Unethical behavior should be punished. So why no outrage over Sandy Berger shoving secure documents down his pants and shredding them? Why no call to arms over Joe Wilson lying about what he reported to congress, who sent him to Niger, etc. My only point was it should be a level playing field, regardless of politics. I love hearing your opinions PD, I didnt mean to climb too high on the soapbox.
    500 fights, that's the number I figured when I was a kid. 500 street fights and you could consider yourself a legitimate tough guy. You need them for experience. To develop leather skin. So I got started. Of course along the way you stop thinking about being tough and all that. It stops being the point. You get past the silliness of it all. But then, after, you realize that's what you are.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc_Holliday View Post
    Of course, I would completely agree PD. Unethical behavior should be punished. So why no outrage over Sandy Berger shoving secure documents down his pants and shredding them? Why no call to arms over Joe Wilson lying about what he reported to congress, who sent him to Niger, etc. My only point was it should be a level playing field, regardless of politics. I love hearing your opinions PD, I didnt mean to climb too high on the soapbox.
    I was just answering the question of the thread - which was about Scooter Libby.

    My perspective was more on the side of civil servants, and how they are used as pawns for petty reasons.

    As a woman, I will always wonder if they thought Valerie Plame was expendable, simply because as a woman, she may not really hold an essential position in the CIA. I wonder if it would have happened if the gender roles were reversed.

    As an old broad, I've seen my share of corruption, and various shenanagins thru the years. I keep hoping that politicians will remember that they are role models too, and that their behavior speaks as loudly as Paris, Mel and Brittany's.
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    Anyone know if the USBP Officers Ramos and Compean got a pardon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtbear111 View Post
    Anyone know if the USBP Officers Ramos and Compean got a pardon?

    YEAH..that would be NO....ashame.
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    They didnt. But there is a renewed outcry for them to get the "scooter treatment".
    500 fights, that's the number I figured when I was a kid. 500 street fights and you could consider yourself a legitimate tough guy. You need them for experience. To develop leather skin. So I got started. Of course along the way you stop thinking about being tough and all that. It stops being the point. You get past the silliness of it all. But then, after, you realize that's what you are.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtbear111 View Post
    Anyone know if the USBP Officers Ramos and Compean got a pardon?
    That was the first thing I thought of too.

    There was a true miscarriage of justice....a true witch hunt....makes you wonder why Johnny Sutton wasn't on the hit list of US Attorney's to dismiss.
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