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    Lawmakers block access to gun sales data

    I can't get too worked up one way or the other about this personally, but I figured it might be interesting to some here.

    Lawmakers block access to gun sales data
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    By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer Thu Jul 12, 6:37 PM ET

    WASHINGTON - Pro-gun rights Democrats teamed with House Republicans on Thursday to block local governments and law enforcement agencies from gaining routine access to gun-purchasing data.

    The House Appropriations Committee defeated two attempts by gun control advocates to strip four-year-old restrictions on the use of information from Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives tracing gun sales. The votes were a victory for the National Rifle Association and came despite the Democratic takeover of Congress in January.

    The committee's emotional debate often focused on broader gun rights issues rather than the matter at hand, involving when the bureau can share such information.

    Gun control advocates say the gun sales data is essential to uncovering dealers who sell guns that disproportionately end up in the hands of criminals.

    Gun rights advocates, led by Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., said mayors such as New York's Michael Bloomberg want the data to sue out-of-state gun dealers.

    Tiahrt, the key sponsor of the restrictions on sharing gun trace data, also said easing the restrictions could lead to the disclosure of police officers' identities and other details to criminals.

    "What the Tiahrt amendment does is protect those who protect us," Tiahrt said.

    Pro-gun advocates say the data-sharing restrictions protect gun owners' privacy. But Bloomberg and other mayors contend they hamper law enforcement authorities' ability to trace illegal guns and arrest weapons traffickers.

    "This handcuffs the cops, not the criminals," said Rep. C.A. "Dutch" Ruppersberger, D-Md.

    More than a dozen Democrats, most from rural districts, joined with all but two committee Republicans to defeat a bid by Rep. Patrick Kennedy, D-R.I., to ease the data sharing restrictions but ensure that police officers' names would not be compromised.

    Earlier, a bid by Rep. Jim Moran, D-Va., to reject Tiahrt's language altogether lost by a voice vote.

    The mayors say gun tracing data helps police departments determine the source of illegal guns, who buys them and how they are distributed.

    Almost three-fifths of guns used in crimes are sold by just 1 percent of gun dealers, who forge relationship with gun traffickers making multiple purchases.

    Under Bloomberg, who recently left the GOP amid speculation he may run for president as an independent, the city has sued out-of-state gun dealers in an attempt to reduce the flow of illegal guns into New York. The NRA-backed restrictions block cities from getting ATF data for such suits.

    The committee chairman, Rep. David Obey a liberal Democrat representing a rural Wisconsin district said the issue was only marginally related to gun rights. He opposed the efforts to ease the data restrictions.

    But Obey lashed out at both the NRA, which failed to endorse him in his most recent race despite his pro-gun rights record, and Bloomberg. He said the mayor's representatives met with his staff and threatened to run television ads attacking him.

    Lindsay Ellenbogen, a Bloomberg aide, denied any threats. Bloomberg is co-chairman of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, which has run ads in a few congressional districts.

    "As happens too often in Washington, common sense didn't carry the day special interests did," Bloomberg said.

    Thursday's result continued a run of back luck on Capitol Hill for gun control advocates. They have lost many times since a Democratic-controlled Congress pushed through an assault weapons ban in 1994. Many Democrats credited the ban for losses in rural seats as the party took a drubbing at the polls that year.

    The return of Congress to Democratic hands did not appreciably hurt the NRA's position because many of the newcomers are from rural, pro-gun rights districts.

    "To allow this information to be misused by trial lawyers and gun control groups who want to sue gun manufacturers because criminals misused legally made and legally sold guns is not only bad policy but bad politics," said Chris W. Cox, the NRA's top lobbyist.

    The votes came as the committee approved a $53.6 billion bill for the departments of Commerce and Justice, as well as NASA and science programs.

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    Who's gonna enforce this bookkeeping law for private sales of stolen guns out of a trunk of a car, or between gang members?

    I'd like to see how many armed robbers fill out their paperwork when they buy their guns with filed-off serial numbers from a fellow gang member. All the records would do is trace the legitimate owners of the gun up to the point where the criminals stole it, bought it with fake ID, or diverted the shipment

    Maybe if Congress appropriated that same money to hiring more police and detectives devoted to solving ALL gun thefts and enforcing some of the EXISTING gun laws, it would have the same effect without creating a political firestorm.

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