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    ATM gives out too much money

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    Sat Jul 28, 9:15 AM ET

    An ATM at a northwest Louisiana truck stop gave out $20 bills instead of $5s, but authorities say they know who took the extra $7,000 the machine spit out and plan to track them down.

    DeSoto Parish sheriff's Lt. Toni Morris said the automated teller machine has records showing 26 people who received the extra cash during five days in late June and early July.

    Annette Parker, a supervisor at Eagle's Truck Stop, said she unplugged the machine after overhearing conversations about the excess payments.

    "The next morning when we had come back in, someone had plugged it back up," she said.

    Morris said someone who did not work at the truck stop may have rigged the machine, which keeps records of when the money was taken and by whom.

    Morris said charges could be brought against the people who got more money than they were debited for.

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    Take it out of the pay of the moron who put $20's in the $5 bin and declare it a bank holiday for the rest. If someone actually tampered with the machine, track him/her down. Then suggest to the ATM owner they write nice letters asking for their money back from the others and wish them a nice day.

    If you can't be bothered to secure your ATM I can't be bothered to care what it spits out.

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    Darn, All the ATM's give out here in CA are $20's. Hard to make a mistake with them.


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    Morris said charges could be brought against the people who got more money than they were debited for.


    and what charge would that be?


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    my guess would be theft...

    LA RS 14:67 - Theft

    A. Theft is the misappropriation or taking of anything of value which belongs to another, either without the consent of the other to the misappropriation or taking, or by means of fraudulent conduct, practices, or representations. An intent to deprive the other permanently of whatever may be the subject of the misappropriation or taking is essential.

    B.(1) Whoever commits the crime of theft when the misappropriation or taking amounts to a value of five hundred dollars or more shall be imprisoned, with or without hard labor, for not more than ten years, or may be fined not more than three thousand dollars, or both.

    (2) When the misappropriation or taking amounts to a value of three hundred dollars or more, but less than a value of five hundred dollars, the offender shall be imprisoned, with or without hard labor, for not more than two years, or may be fined not more than two thousand dollars, or both.

    (3) When the misappropriation or taking amounts to less than a value of three hundred dollars, the offender shall be imprisoned for not more than six months, or may be fined not more than one thousand dollars, or both. If the offender in such cases has been convicted of theft two or more times previously, upon any subsequent conviction he shall be imprisoned, with or without hard labor, for not more than two years, or may be fined not more than two thousand dollars, or both.

    C. When there has been a misappropriation or taking by a number of distinct acts of the offender, the aggregate of the amount of the misappropriations or taking shall determine the grade of the offense


    can't figure out how to "quote" an outside site =/

    but I agree... whoever loaded/fixed the machine is responsible
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    An INTENT to deprive the other permanently of whatever may be the subject of the misappropriation or taking is ESSENTIAL.


    -the one that fixed it showed intent.
    -also knowing that the atm is fixed and still withdrawing money would show intent if one could prove knowledge of it.
    -using the atm without knowledge of it being rigged and receiving the extra money should not be a punishable. returning the money is a moral choice.
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    aye, but it could be argued that by not calling the bank/atm/truck stop and letting them know of the error, one is showing intent to deprive permanently
    because once you have received the money in error, and you don't report receiving the extra money, you have just intentionally deprived the banking institution of that amount of money


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    just edited my earlier replied due to people not acting right.


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    lol...

    like i said, playing devil's advocate

    I 100% agree, but ya never know in Louisiana...
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    Maybe we should figure out how to get the Postal System involved. If you get money in the mail, can't it be considered a gift?

    Ok maybe that's stretching it a bit, but works for me.

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    Quite the stretch there! Though the banks around here slip in a few 100s in the 20 bin while they're running promotions to attract new customers. If I got two 20's instead of a 20 and a 5 when I pulled out $25 (and yeah, what ATM has 5s?) I'd look around for a sign saying there's some such promotion going on. Then I'd tell the person at the fuel desk, though they probably have been told to ignore the ATM. Then I'd leave. Because frankly it'll take more than $15 of my time to report and refund the bank. Screw'em if they can't count.

    I do wonder how many of the 466 transactions required for 26 people to take out an extra 7000 were done by one or two people though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BEB View Post
    Take it out of the pay of the moron who put $20's in the $5 bin and declare it a bank holiday for the rest. If someone actually tampered with the machine, track him/her down. Then suggest to the ATM owner they write nice letters asking for their money back from the others and wish them a nice day.

    If you can't be bothered to secure your ATM I can't be bothered to care what it spits out.
    I can't be sure but chances are no one "put $5s in the $20 bin".

    We recently had the same thing start happening in my area.

    What people do is buy the owners manual for the ATMs on E-bay or somewhere else. A lot of first-time ATM OWNERS don't understand there are multiple passwords and settings that need to be set.

    What was happening here was somoene would go in and use the default password to trick the machine into thinking $20s ARE $5s.

    They beat the guy out of like $10K in two days IIRC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Operator13 View Post
    I can't be sure but chances are no one "put $5s in the $20 bin".

    We recently had the same thing start happening in my area.

    What people do is buy the owners manual for the ATMs on E-bay or somewhere else. A lot of first-time ATM OWNERS don't understand there are multiple passwords and settings that need to be set.

    What was happening here was somoene would go in and use the default password to trick the machine into thinking $20s ARE $5s.

    They beat the guy out of like $10K in two days IIRC.

    Stupidity should be expensive.

    If it isn't, people don't bother learning.

    The scenario you gave is something understandable for a first time computer user. I have no sympathy for, and see no reason the taxpayer should have to pay for recovery of loss for, morons entering the business market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Operator13 View Post
    I can't be sure but chances are no one "put $5s in the $20 bin".

    We recently had the same thing start happening in my area.

    What people do is buy the owners manual for the ATMs on E-bay or somewhere else. A lot of first-time ATM OWNERS don't understand there are multiple passwords and settings that need to be set.

    What was happening here was somoene would go in and use the default password to trick the machine into thinking $20s ARE $5s.

    They beat the guy out of like $10K in two days IIRC.
    Everyone needs to be a computer expert these days

    "You mean I have to read the instructions???"

    It surprises me that this is accessible from the front panel wihout a physical key interlock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXCharlie View Post
    Everyone needs to be a computer expert these days

    "You mean I have to read the instructions???"

    It surprises me that this is accessible from the front panel wihout a physical key interlock.
    RTFM.

    Failure to do so is at your own peril.

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    See how far those charges stick in court...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXCharlie View Post
    Everyone needs to be a computer expert these days

    "You mean I have to read the instructions???"

    It surprises me that this is accessible from the front panel wihout a physical key interlock.
    I clicked on a link, it passed as work safe. I forget what it was supposed to be, just something like you have to see this . . .

    It showed how you can even change prices on Coke machines just by pressing the right combination of buttons.

    They didnt show you how to get free products but said it was possible.
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