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    Taser used on man holding newborn

    Guard uses Taser on man holding newborn

    By JUAN A. LOZANO, Associated Press Writer 28 minutes ago



    In a confrontation captured on videotape, a hospital security guard fired a stun gun to stop a defiant father from taking home his newborn, sending both man and child crashing to the floor. Now William Lewis says his baby girl suffers from head trauma because she was dropped.

    "I've got to wonder what kind of moron would Tase an adult holding a baby," said George Kirkham, a former police officer and criminologist at Florida State University. "It doesn't take rocket science to realize the baby is going to fall."

    Lewis, 30, said the April 13 episode began after he and his wife felt mistreated by staff at the Woman's Hospital of Texas and they decided to leave. Hospital employees told him doctors would not allow it, but Lewis picked up the baby and strode to a bank of elevators.

    The elevators would not move because wristband sensors on each baby shut them off if anyone takes an infant without permission.
    Lewis, who gave the video to The Associated Press, said his daughter landed on her head, but it cannot be seen on the video. He said the baby continues to suffer ill effects from the fall.

    "She shakes a lot and cries a lot," Lewis said, noting doctors have performed several MRIs on the child, Karla. "She's not real responsive. Something is definitely wrong with my daughter."

    It was not clear whether the baby received any electrical jolt.
    Child Protective Services has custody of the baby because of a history of domestic violence between Lewis and his wife, Jacqueline Gray. Agency spokeswoman Estella Olguin said the infant does not appear to be suffering any health problems from the fall.
    David Boling, an off-duty Houston police officer working security at the hospital, and another security guard can be seen on the surveillance video arriving at the elevators and trying to talk with Lewis. Lewis appears agitated as he walks around the elevators holding his daughter in his right arm.

    Within 40 seconds of arriving, Boling is holding the Taser. He walks around Lewis and whispers to the other guard, who moves to Lewis' right side.

    About a minute later, Boling can be seen casually standing near Lewis, not looking in his direction, when he suddenly raises the Taser and fires it at Lewis, who was still holding his daughter.
    Lewis drops to the floor. The other guard, who has not been identified, scoops up the baby and gives her to the child's mother, who was standing nearby in a hospital gown.

    The guard then pulls Lewis to his feet with his arms locked behind him. Lewis' T-shirt has two holes under the left side of his chest where the Taser prongs hit him.
    Lewis said he did not see the stun gun.

    "My wife said `we want to leave' and then he just Tasered me," Lewis said. "He caused me to drop the child."
    In a statement, the hospital said Lewis was hostile and uncooperative toward staff members who were trying to find out his relationship to the infant when they saw him trying to leave. Neither Lewis or Gray had indicated they wanted a discharge, according to the statement.

    "Mr. Lewis became verbally abusive by using vulgar expletives. When Mr. Lewis' behavior became threatening, endangering the infant and employees, licensed law enforcement officers followed their professional standards to protect those involved," the statement said.

    Lewis was arrested and charged with endangering a child. A grand jury in May declined to indict him on that charge, but charged him with retaliation, accusing him of making threats against Boling.
    Lewis also has been charged with a second count of retaliation alleging he made a threatening call to Boling at his home.
    Lewis denies both charges. He said he is considering suing the hospital but has not filed any legal papers.

    Houston police spokesman Gabe Ortiz said the department did not investigate the officer's role, and he declined to elaborate. Boling did not immediately respond to a request for comment given to the police department.

    Some 11,000 U.S. law enforcement agencies use Tasers, which some experts say are increasingly being used as a convenient labor-saving device to control uncooperative people.
    "The Taser itself is a legitimate law-enforcement tool," said Kirkham, the criminologist. "The problem is the abusive use of them. They're supposed to be only used to protect yourself or another person from imminent aggression and physical harm. They're overused now."


    Here's a link to the article on yahoo, you can see the video there. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070814/...BE_OLLQTsDW7oF




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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    In a confrontation captured on videotape, a hospital security guard fired a stun gun to stop a defiant father from taking home his newborn, sending both man and child crashing to the floor.
    Looks like I found the problem.
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    Looks like they had a plan that included the baby's safety, and presumed this was an attempted kidnapping.

    I'll be happy to send Mr Lewis the articles where local cops shot men holding infants as shields, and putting their lives in danger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    Looks like I found the problem.
    David Boling, an off-duty Houston police officer working security at the hospital, and another security guard can be seen on the surveillance video arriving at the elevators and trying to talk with Lewis.
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    Hence why I dont want security guards armed. What an idiot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheech View Post
    Hence why I dont want security guards armed. What an idiot
    So in your opinion the OFF DUTY OFFICER should not have been armed?
    500 fights, that's the number I figured when I was a kid. 500 street fights and you could consider yourself a legitimate tough guy. You need them for experience. To develop leather skin. So I got started. Of course along the way you stop thinking about being tough and all that. It stops being the point. You get past the silliness of it all. But then, after, you realize that's what you are.


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    DIdnt see that til now. Still think he shoudltn of tazed the man and it was a idiot move. Ill stand by that.

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    I'll play devil's advocate here since it's been missed so far.

    The agitated father is a very muscular boy, and we can't hear what was being said. He could have said something to the effect of F-it, I'm leaving and you can't stop me. We've all heard that and the officer was presented with a tough choice. He could possibly allow a potential kidnapping, or worse get into a wrestling match with the man who eventually drops the baby and then gets the baby stepped on or fallen on. It appears as though he tried to catch the baby before it fell. I hold the father responsible. He could have set the baby down at any time and handled it differently. ESPECIALLY if he was former LEO like he says. HE should know better. There was no life threatening emergency that forced him to act that way at that moment. He was just being an angry and potentially violent person and the officer had to make a split second decision. It's akin to shooting the perp holding a hostage. Should you or should you not and allow the BG to kill the hostage?

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    Child Protective Services has custody of the baby because of a history of domestic violence between Lewis and his wife, Jacqueline Gray. Agency spokeswoman Estella Olguin said the infant does not appear to be suffering any health problems from the fall.
    This quote obviously didn't factor into the Taser itself, it just goes to show the pattern of behavior that he was most likely displaying on the day he was Tasered.
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    The father is a tool and needs to be beaten with a rubber hose......repeatedly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheech View Post
    DIdnt see that til now. Still think he shoudltn of tazed the man and it was a idiot move. Ill stand by that.
    No worries there Cheech, I respect your opinion of course. I would generally agree with you regarding security personel, just in this case the fact that the guy was an off duty LEO made me stop and possibly give him the benefit of the doubt. Harm to the baby was unfortunate, although protective services say the baby shows no ill effects. Bottom line, the father, or sperm donor because in my opinion it takes more than dumping a load to earn the title of father, is the one ultimately responsible. Could it have been handled differently, sure. But the bottom line for me is the dumbass went to jail, the off duty cop went home, and the baby is in protective custody....seems like a win win win.
    500 fights, that's the number I figured when I was a kid. 500 street fights and you could consider yourself a legitimate tough guy. You need them for experience. To develop leather skin. So I got started. Of course along the way you stop thinking about being tough and all that. It stops being the point. You get past the silliness of it all. But then, after, you realize that's what you are.


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    Not a great video and it does not mean SQUAT without the audio.
    I have no idea what the suspect was saying but the officer obviously thought the danger to the child was necessary. He could have been saying "I like chocolcate ice cream" or "you can't stop me motherfucker" or "I am going to kill this kid".

    The option would be putting a .45 through his head but the baby would still have fallen.
    I am not a fan of Tasering subjects with a child but allowing a kidnapping to occur then starting a high speed vehicle pursuit is a worse option.

    It is a tough decision to make in a truly shitty situation.
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    Originally posted by Cheech:
    DIdnt see that til now. Still think he shoudltn of tazed the man and it was a idiot move. Ill stand by that.
    Let us not forget that this occurred in Texas, on the heels of the kidnapping of an infant from a hospital which made national news, and in the very same State.

    The father's acting out on his frustrations with the "mistreatment" that he and his wife were recieving placed the child in physical jeopardy. If you want to storm out of a hospital, fine. Don't involve an innocent newborn and place her in danger in the process. At least, notify the hospital of your intention to leave and sign the necessary paperwork. Why is it so difficult for people to understand that the father is anything but responsible, and that HIS actions were what caused the harm (if even any such exists). As testimony of the father's idiocy, the child has been taken from he and the mother for his history of not being able to control his violent temper.

    Now, he wants to profit from it? Negative. Screw him.

    Whine all you want about him getting tased carrying a child. Had he been reasonable and non-threatening I am sure no such action would have been taken. If you really want to crucify the guard and police for their actions, perhaps you should take a long hard look at the reality of cause and effect here, and perhaps even take a long hard look at the reality of your perception of what it takes to do this job. Do you honestly believe that it was an easy call to deploy the Taser in this situation?

    Your expectations of people seem severely low, even below the standard set by general rule of criminal law. I wonder how you ever make arrests...

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    I haven't found a print story with the details, but when my local news covered this, they said the Dad was arrested a couple months later for taking the baby out of state without the Mom's permission.

    Maybe that's why he hasn't filed a lawsuit yet?
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    Some 11,000 U.S. law enforcement agencies use Tasers, which some experts say are increasingly being used as a convenient labor-saving device to control uncooperative people.
    "The Taser itself is a legitimate law-enforcement tool," said Kirkham, the criminologist. "The problem is the abusive use of them. They're supposed to be only used to protect yourself or another person from imminent aggression and physical harm. They're overused now."


    I don't understand this, maybe because I don't have one, are officers just driving around randomly tazing people for no reason. if I had one I think it might go like this; sir you are under arrest, please turn around and place your hands behind your back.
    no, why?
    sir it it will hurt less.
    f you
    zap, now sir please place your hands behind your back.
    yes sir.


    now it goes like this sir place your hands behind your back you are under arrest.
    no.
    sir wake up you don't want me to drag you down anymore steps.


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    sorry cb. I guess you sit side by side with me when I work. I guess you got me figured out. ill from now on be side by side with you on every opinion from here on so we don't lock horns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheech View Post
    sorry cb. I guess you sit side by side with me when I work. I guess you got me figured out. ill from now on be side by side with you on every opinion from here on so we don't lock horns.
    I don't mind locking horns with ya. Hell, it amuses me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countybear View Post
    I don't mind locking horns with ya. Hell, it amuses me.
    Its a mutual feeling... Just takes to much time for me.

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    Ok, what should he have done? I suppose me applying a straight baton to the shins would not have resulted in a negative report. At least he was at the hospital where they could have wheeled him to the ER.
    Unfortunately, not enough information and I wasn't there. We don't have tasers but if I have to zap someone holding a child to save the child, I would.
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    I take back my idiot comment. It would be hard to decifer what to do in that situation. I just think my tazer would have been one of my last resorts

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLK View Post
    are officers just driving around randomly tazing people for no reason.
    That's a funny image. It sure would make for an interesting day, wouldn't it?

 

 
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